Kingdom Hearts II Was Sora justified? *Spoiler*

The story is -not- taken from Sora's point of view. He hardly -has- a point of view and you can deduce your own things and all. Where did the Organization do anything GOOD? When were they not taking advantage of people's hearts, tormenting others, and doing their agendas? This was not merely in Sora's POV. We follow Sora around but he really was not perceptive and -we- the people playing the game caught more than he did.

Sora wasn't a -villain- to the Nobodies by any means. He was a tool to be used and the Nobodies had planned from the beginning to use a Keyblade wielder. Losing Roxas meant having to rely on Sora and now the Keyblade wielder was not a member of their ranks anymore so boo hoo, life is harder for the Org. Sora NEVER once said he was on a killing spree to get rid of the Org. He merely wanted to stop them and make the worlds safe so he could return home and also find his friend Riku, who the Org kept derailing him from. Also, again, if the Nobodies never tried to ask Sora for help at all for their predicament. They wanted domination and control; not to get help in any other way than their own scheme they had set forth.

Saix was -never- a nice guy. He is by nature a sadistic manipulator. There is never a scene that shows him as otherwise. He was smooth, calculating and new precisely what to say and even comments on that fact. He was a superb actor. There is never a point where he is on -Sora's side'- at all. Sora, to Saix, as well as other beings with Hearts, were lesser to him.

As for what Axel planned, it seems pretty easy. He takes Kairi along and makes Sora turn to Darkness. Roxas is freed and Kairi can restore Sora and they can go off on their way while Roxas is back as a Nobody and can do his thing. It isn't that hard to see his plan.

I will, however, back out too because it is not so fair for one person to be ganged up on with the POV. It seems many people feel Sora is not justified and cast votes but they do not explain why.

 

Damn. Game over. Ah well. Got you added to my list of people to respect, hopefully I will run into you again. Nice fanfic!

 

Quoted for truth.
I was the one who mentioned that Sora really is too young to be Keybarer. And that was totally the best summary of Xemnas's extange with The real Ansem like, ever.

 

Wow, some really long posts since I was last here. ^_^' This is still going on? I like how there's a whole argument about Demyx. Kinda like:

Demyx death was the defining moment.

I'm sorry I had to just laugh at that. Demyx wasn't at all important to the Org, I agree with Repliku on that. The rest of the nobodies probably looked on him with some measure of contempt. Maybe the Org started really doing things after Demyx's fight because it happens right before the ummm... BATTLE OF HOLLOW BASTION? I'm sorry, I just find it a little hard to believe you didn't notice that. Demyx was an.. unfortunate idiot. At least when it came to that last fight. (Although really, can you imagine him going renegade like Axel?)

What was with the whole deal with Riku? You were talking about him like he was a vampire or something. He didn't go back to the Destiny Islands because he felt guilty and hadn't forgiven himself for what he had done. I doubt it had anything to do with him not being able to handle sunshine. XD But if he is a vampire, that would explain the weird hair and the lack of a tan on a tropical island. lmao

It's true that not all the nobodies were evil and deserved to die, but sometimes sad things happen. Sora was an idiot and sometimes a jerk, true. But he's not the villain here.

 

Oh, so sorry about that. I was reading it so fast I forgot your username, please forgive me :) You had a really valid point that I just had to mention and agree with you on.

 

of couse he was justified they were planning to take kingdom hearts and alos they kidnapped kairi

good theory sora did forgive them bit it was really roxas forgiving them not sora

 

Uh, no. Sora forgave Namine from messing with his head in CoM. He also thanked her later as the Journal said to do. He also forgave Axel and probably did tell Kairi later what Axel said, I'd assume. Sora is pretty genuine and when he forgives, he forgives. Roxas wasn't involved in that. He had his own reasons to be frustrated and forgive people. Axel didn't wrong Roxas any way.

 

By technicality and default, Sora was justified in his actions. What I consider to be a matter that was never discussed and a dynamic point in the whole "nobody" arguement is:

"Why is a Nobody shunned from both sides?" hence "why they would act this way".

Namine and Roxas are both special cases, they still had a heart of which to speak of, their "original" hearts still existed, so they still "had hope" and to a degree emotions. But beyond the Organization and lesser Nobodies, there ARE no other examples of Nobodies, of which I feel the whole concept is cheated out of.

From an objective POV all the Organization merely wanted was survival- at least that was their original goal. There is also plenty of Theory that all Xemnas/Xehanort wanted was acutally his memory, or in a way, his old life, but it won't be known or maybe until Birth By Sleep comes out. I also think their actions were based on logic unaffected by emotion- which is supposed to be the best logic, but only by technicality.

But then again this is only interpretation.

This is a story meant to be packaged in a way most easily digestable, so most likely the examples presented under the circumstances are meant to allow for the least thought. Xemnas is pride, Xigbar is arrogance, Xaldin is provocation, Vexen is prudance (as what being a prude implies), Lexaeus is blind conviction, Zexion is flattery, Saix is loyalty (in an unquestioning military sense), Axel is recklessness, Demyx is pacifism (as in doing nothing or very little, the path of least resistance in other words), Luxord is cowerdice, Marluxia is greed, Larxene is sadism and (if you must include-) Roxas is immaturity. I'm sure there are other traits as well, but I'm just listing those as they come to mind first in terms of "why" they should be "killed"...though by the same logic they are not alive anymore.

Anyway, this post probably doesn't make much sense, but then again so did the background of almost all of Organization XIII. Up until there is a canon background FOR EACH ONE OF THEM there is only speculation. But by the word of Nomura, Sora is justified.

 

yes he did

 

Org. destroyed and killed who stood in they're way,just so they'll have a floating 2d heart....Sora did the right thing for sure...I expected that kind of stupidity from Pete...but not the Org.

 

The organization's perpose was honrable but the way they did it was wrong

 

Well the whole "I will kill you now Roxas, you did not remember in time!" deal was a bit off, so I would say that Axel wronged him there. He was willing to betray the Org after Roxas became one, but not before. For whatever reason, when someone comes to me, says "You cannot remember me, I am really doing you a favour, someone else would do this if I didn't" then tries to incinerate me, I consider it being wronged, whatever reason they have. Axel could have taken Roxas back, then passed judgment. I just cannot see how attacking Roxas when he was confused was helpful, or merciful.

 

What does all this mean!(my head hurts!)

 

It means the topic creator has left the building.

 

Unfortunately, Axel there was acting under orders from the Org. They did want to have Roxas back or to have him eliminated. He was threatened with being turned to a Dusk if he did not comply and it would seem they were riding him hard over it. Axel's 'job' in the Org was to get rid of traitorous members and he was a sort of Assassin for them. Marluxia probably at one time had a similar duty to the Org, hence his title 'Graceful Assassin'. Also, Axel fought the first time versus Roxas as a way to get him to remember. The second time he fought him, he -had- to and it was mostly a 'staged' thing on the part of Axel because he could not bring himself to kill Roxas but a failure in combat at least might not result in him becoming a Dusk. So Axel was out to help himself and also Roxas there. Roxas was easily combative so getting him to fight was pretty easy. Axel however, knew that Roxas did not want to come back so he staged things. Taking Roxas back was more against Roxas's will than anything.

 

Okay, I can run with that.

 

I'm not sure. I mean, for alot of the times, he was FORCED to fight them. I mean, perfect example, Beast's Castle. He couldn't just let Xaldin get away with kidnapping Belle, and he had no choice to fight Xigbar. So, in a way, I think he was justified, because he had no other option really. But...I don't think they're the villains that they're made out to be, except Xemnas.

 

Your points do make sense. Some of the organization members did deserve to be killed. But there are certain other members that Sora would not have killed had he not seen them wearing a black cloak and known they were involved in the organization. Like Demyx, for example, or Saix and Luxord, whom he sought out to fight with in TWTNW. He had good intentions in mind, but perhaps destroying the entire organzation wasn't necessary- maybe only Xemnas would have been enough.
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Ooo...
That's a bugger to answer...
In a way yes, but in another way, no.

Larxene, Marluxia, Xigbar and Xemnas, they all had to be killed, for obvious reasons.
Xaldin; Kind of tricky. He didn't need to nessacerily kill him. More... Wound.
Demyx, well, it was him who started the fight. But again, no need to kill. Although he is such a bugger to beat.
Luxord, well, he kidnapped Sora's friends, sort of, so maybe a need to kill.
Saix, a berserk lunatic who kidnapped Kairi, definite kill.
Axel: DIDN'T NEED TO DIE AT ALL!!! However, technially, Sora didn't kill him.

So, in some ways Sora was justified, in other ways, he wasn't. Does any of my post make sense to anyone except me?

 

Saix he needed to kill, Luxord he needed to fight at least, if not kill. Same goes for Xaldin, he needed to fight him but not kill him.

*Mourns Demyx* He's not evil, just misguided.

Axel's death was the most useless thing like, EVER.