Birth by Sleep I understand perfectly.....

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  1. Dreadnought Twilight Town Denizen

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    Terra is Xehanort. Look at how alike they are. same hair. same face. They just
    have different hair color..... Xemnas talked to Aqua's armor. Terra knew
    Aqua. All he could remember was the name Xehanort. Master Xehanort
    was his worst enemy. Why is Terra evil? Master Xehanort possesed him
    on the secret ending. That made his hair white. He tried to control
    Xehanort but he lost. That is why he turned against Ansem and
    betrayed him. The keyblade war is the war for light that
    broke the world into smaller worlds. Xehanort wants kingdom hearts
    in bbs, he wants it as a heartless in kh. he wants it as a nobody in kh2.
    After Xehanort turns into a heartless Terra's soul leaves the body
    and forms into the knight you fight in kh2 fm.

    when Xehanort split and lost his heart the spirit possesed the heartless.
    The nobody inherited traits of Xehanort (Goal of kingdom hearts)
    and the traits of Terra (Talks to Aqua).


    Now, on kh1 Xehanorts heartless had the heartless symbol emblazoned
    onto him. Doesn't that mean he was made by Ansem's machine?
    Xehanort made that heartless in the machine and possesed it when he split.
    Think about it, even though Sora inherited a strong heart he didn't have
    human form. It has never happened before.
     
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    Yup. As we have seen from the secret ending, screenshots, boss-fight and read about trailers, Terra is filled with hatred and anger. All emotions that Xemnas remembers are just anger and hate.

    Terra-->Xehanort-->Ansem & Xemnas-->"Xemnas awakens"-->Terra is back!^^
     
  3. DjC Chaser

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    this isnt that bad of a theory. but i something i dont understand is, terra called ven his friend (lol that ryms ^^) and xemnas called aquas armor friend. so yeah that kinda gives it away. at least thats what i think
     
  4. Repliku Chaser

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    I think either Terra was Xehanort/Xemnas or the apprentice of Master Xehanort was. There are reasons that support either side really. I do think the 'Heartless' Ansem was either Master Xehanort's or the apprentice's heart. It does get more and more confusing as we go but this theory is a good one so far along with the one about the apprentice. I believe either of these will be the right ones in the end.
     
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    You know, this is a very likely explanation. That's probably why Terra's called the "Lingering Spirit" in FM. Plus, in the new scene featuring Xigbar and Zexion, Xigbar mentioned the "other friend" being in the "Room of Sleep". If Xehanort is Terra, then the "other friend" would most likely be Ven.
     
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    No i don't believe terra is Xehanort
    well maybe xehanorts apprentice is him xD
     
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    I'm not sure about the "After Xehanort turns into a heartless Terra's soul leaves the body
    and forms into the knight you fight in kh2 fm."
    It sounds nice, but something about it just doesn't fit in to me. Perhaps it's just the mechanics of the game that don't follow through with that idea.

    >_> *really lazy*
     
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    Please, people... THINK about the timeline... Terra CAN'T be 'Xehanort'... Why? Because 'Xehanort' existed BEFORE BBS...
     
  11. Repliku Chaser

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    In any event, whether Terra is 'Xehanort/Xemnas' or the apprentice is... Xehanort cannot possibly be Master Xehanort in BBS. THAT is impossible.
     
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    The apprentice fits the role like a glove... and we agree on the Master Xehanort front...
     
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    So what are the reasons he cannot be Xehanort?

    Also, why can these reasons not apply to the apprentice?
     
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    Terra can't be 'Xehanort' because of the fact that 'Xehanort' existed prior to BBS...

    The apprentice CAN be because although we see someone exit Master Xehanort's body, that someone is obviously not a human... I have a strong belief that that individual is the 'Memory of Xehanort'... Memories are not physical, so a living memory would be somewhat ghost-like in quality...
     
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    Well yeah, that's where it gets iffy. We don't know how many years before BBS 'begins' at so if it was Terra who becomes the Xehanort of KH and KH2...he'd have to have fallen at least a couple years before 9 years ago when the fall happened if Ansem the Wise's true reports are true, which I see no reason why they would not be. Terra does look an awful lot like Xehanort though the hair and eye color is different so it really depends on when he fell. Seeing him on Destiny Islands when Riku and Sora are 5 and 4 respectedly gives some doubts to that.

    Since KH takes place 9 years after Xehanort opened the door on his own world and made Heartless, cast himself to Darkness etc and plunged that world into despair, and Sora was 14 at the beginning of KH...14-9 = 5. So he'd be a year older when Xehanort sent Kairi out to find the Keyblade wielder, and that would be why we see Riku at age 6, staring at a glowing door after Sora departs to go find the girl (Kairi) that the mayor took in.

    Now, if it was the apprentice of Master Xehanort, he indeed could have fallen more towards the beginning of BBS and so it would also give a 'few' years though I am doubtful it is more than 3 as well. It does make more sense not having played the game yet...to assume that this guy may be the one just by 'time' sequences. In either case, I think Ansem's true reports indicate a time span that may be inaccurate if it is more than that because it is clear that the apprentice was obviously at a battle that involved the 3 chasers as well. Since Xehanort's eyes are a 'brown' color, it makes me ponder if Terra did not have some relation to the apprentice and that the apprentice is the one there.

    On another note, I've also pondered the likelihood that Terra is the one who is Xehanort but the Heartless is the apprentice's Heart and the Enigmatic soldier is Terra's heart, since he gets unlocked after you fight Xemnas the first time. I don't know yet how viable that is but I still ponder why though the Heartless looks similar to Xemnas, it's not that close in some ways and he's also wearing Master Xehanort's attire.

    So, I am sort of torn and think it is possible to be either Terra or the apprentice really but it is sound to at least know for sure that Master Xehanort is definitely not the same as Xehanort in KH onwards. I can think of ways where Terra or the apprentice can work so I'm pretty sure it has to be one or possibly even both of them in a way, because it's clear whichever it is, they had ties to Ven and Aqua and Xemnas probably remembered, even if 'Xehanort' and the Heartless Xehanort did not.
     
  20. Whoa Its Jose Traverse Town Homebody

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    sljbnsrljbsfdg freakin'

    I'll say my theroy again.

    Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts 2 is Xehanorts apprentice in BBS.
    After the events of BBS, the apprentice forgets his indentity and takes up the only name he remembers, Xehanort.
    BBS, ten years before KH1.
    BBS apprentice, maybe about 15, 16 years old.
    KH2 Xehanort, maybe 25, 26. Also, when he was found by Ansem, he was devoid of memories.Thus explaining why he's the apprentice.

    rawr.

    Basically, Xemnas/Xehanort/Ansem/Xehanorts Apprentice, has an identity crisis.
    Maybe we will find out his true name one day.

    There's another theroy that says that Xehanort's apprentice is a entity that form from Master Xehanort, sorta like replica riku, but that's impossible. Because then, he wouldn't have a heartless.
     
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