Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

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Thanks for clearing that up. -_-'. My post was from an insomniac at the time.

Soul.

Let's disect what exactly a soul is and what's in a soul.

The soul, according to many religious and philosophical traditions, is the self-aware essence unique to a particular living being. In these traditions the soul is thought to incorporate the inner essence of each living being, and to be the true basis forsapience. It is believed in many cultures and religions that the soul is the unification of one's sense of identity. Souls are usually (but not always as explained below) considered to be immortal and to exist before their incarnation in flesh.

The concept of the soul has strong links with notions of an afterlife, but opinions may vary wildly, even within a given religion, as to what may happen to the soul after the deathof the body. Many within these religions and philosophies see the soul as immaterial, while others consider it to possibly have a material component, and some have even tried to establish the mass (or weight) of the soul.

Skeptics of the soul cite phenomena such asbrain lesions (as in the case of Broca's aphasia) and Alzheimer's disease as evidence that personality is material, and furthermore, exists in discrete components, contrary to the philosophy of an immortal, unified soul.

Thank's wiki.

Spark any ideas? I have none.

 

The Ansem Report says that a normal person is made of a body, a soul and a heart, and that the body and soul form the Nobody when the heart is lost to darkness, and becomes a heartless. All three elements are used, so unless there is a fourth element Ansem failed to see, there is no possibility of a third being. The option of lost memories forming a third being is still plausible, but in that case, why "Dis-Soul" ?

Another thing : some time ago, we discussed about Axel's statement that Sora was the second person to keep his free will after becoming a heartless. Look at Ansem Secret Report #10 : Xehanort is the first person to do this.

 

I believed that there are certain Nobodies who didn't have a soul at all (Saix). He was cold and had no sense of right and wrong (it seems) yet he still wanted a heart. This made me feel that there could be a second seperation

 

What I'm saying goes with Kanji's.

If a nobody contains a soul and a body...suppose you take the body away by just killing it or such. The soul is still what is left. That's what I think is a chaser. Looking for their original body perhaps? Kind of like the theory of the keyblade looking for their original owner? Just a hunch. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm thinking every powerful nobody has a soul. Whether the nobody realizes that or the nobody doesn't seem to have it, there is a little soul or something inside them. =\

 

Theoretically every Nobody has a soul, since every Nobody is capable of thinking and planning, whereas Heartless are pure instinct. Saix's complete lack of morality is a consequence of his lack of heart : he feels no pity, compassion or sympathy for anything. The sense of right and wrong comes from feelings of empathy : to kill is to kill, yet killing an insect doesn't seem wrong to most people. That's because we don't feel even remotely as close to insects as we feel to other human beings, or to mammals in general. A Nobody has no heart, so he doesn't spontaneously feel close to anyone or anything : he is just naturally incapable of compassion. All of his actions are dictated by logic, never instinct.

Other Nobodies develop specific personalities to make up for their lack of heart, which leaves a terrible feeling of emptiness : it makes them feel like some part of them really exists, and it also dictates their behavior, sometimes making it seem like they have a form of morality. Luxord is always looking for a fair gamble, and resents cheating : it's a form of honor, which is very close to morality.

One should indeed wonder what happens to the soul of a destroyed Nobody : does it fade in darkness or does it survive ? If so, what does it do, what does it seek, and so on.

 

10 bucks its survives to add to the storyline

 

At last, I believe this is where the term Dis-Soul fits in! Maybe the Enigmatic Soldiers are the dis-souls. It makes sense, because of the bald-headed man's alter ego. Maybe he is able to divide into two beings by casting his soul out of his body.

By the way, can we please stop calling the soldiers Chasers. As I said before, chaser means "one who forges weaponry from steel," which makes me think that Chasers are the creators of the keyblades. So until we know for sure, let's just call the knights Enigmatic Soldiers.

Maybe Dis-souls are formed when a nobody is destroyed, since you claim that nobodies are comprised of souls and bodies. Maybe when the body is destroyed, the soul is released as a "last ditch effort" to live.

 

*cough* uh, does anyone agree that the shadow in the desert looks likes he's/its limping?

 

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The shadow of the bald-headed man is merely shifting around with the sandstorm, nothing more.

 

But at the same time the sandstorm could be masking it.

 

I hope I'm the first to say this but...
I believe that Ven, Aqua and Terra were fighting in the realm of darkness (Assuming it is a paralell of the realm of light) it would make sense and Testsuya Nomura has stated the next Kingsdom hearts game will be different chracters and a different story and that is were all the keyblade warriors of the past are and from what we know so is the organization (They never died all faded to darkness except my Zexy whose dead body you could see).

 

Some places where the secret Ending could be set:
1. The Past (Most people agree with this Idea)
2. Before Kingdom Hearts (Not 10 or 20 years into the Past)
3. During Kingdom Hearts
4. In the Future

 

It is most likely in #4, ive been to many numbers of KH websites about the new KH coming out, alot of info came after me about all this, one thing i know and will tell you all is that the the three new characters holding the keyblades, are good guys, there names are Agua(The girl), The guy thats the tallest in the pic is named Terra, and the short guy that look like sora/Roxas is named Ven. Still, the bald guy and the black skin guy next to him are still Unknown Names, but all this takes place of after 20 years after KHII ended.



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first off darkriku2008, we know the knights names, we know everything.

second, I imagine Kanji to come in here and start talking about the various time settings the game can have

third, we have no freakin evidence that this ending is in the past of future, we only have hints that it is in the past and with that minuscule piece of an actual concrete answer do people believe its in the past

fourth, welcome to the crew darkriku (pardon my rudeness)

fifth, Kingdom_fan98, its of course one of those, you said past and future so there really isn't a wrong answer.

sixth, calif, I don't think that that was the realm of darkness. Weve already seen it (when Riku gives you the pic and ice cream) but it is still possible because it could have morphed due to the creation of heartless

 

i'm sorry if someones already said this but:sweat:, could'nt dis-soul mean someone who has died and the body has become a nobody, he/she gets ressurected in some funny way. That would mean that the body isn't there and he/she becomes a new being.:action-smiley-057:

 

yeah, thats a common thought. Though I got an idea of the timeline of the secret endings, but I need more evidence.

 

I believe the dis-soul theoriy as a last ditch effrt. If this did occur then to be chasing a new body down so they can live would give them the fitting name of Chaser.

 

True, true, but chaser can mean too many things, though that is highly plausible

 

Aw, sorry I've been inactive around here. What you guys have been talking about isn't really worth debate, is all...

That sounds mean.

You can believe instead that I decided to take a break and clear my head.

That sounds better.

 

meanie...I mean...

Never mind, HB, good to have at least someone back on the theory crew :D