Axel & Roxas, are.....Straight!

now the question is are you striaght? LOL jk no problem

 

EPIC. FUXING. PHAIL.

Words can not fuxing express how stupid that was. It's not funny.

So you sorta don't like YAOI (not yoai), so you are gong to kiss a guy for agreeing with you. Phail.

>>;

I for one hate yaoi. Don't kill me.

 

Kiss huh?

Car, Face it, the kissing joke was a little funny. Also, I do sorta like Yoai (I can never grip the speling in memory). It's just when the artist gets way overboard. Like one time when he/she had Axel grab Demyx's butt, thinking he was Roxas, then having Xigbar with Demyx, then Saix with Xenmas, then Roxas with Axel, duh, and even further, parodying different Disney Romantic scenes with Roxas and Axel in different outfits and scenes. And then, to top off the cake, it ends with Axel waking up in bed to see Marluxia rolling Axel's sheets between his fingers saying, "You were talking in you sleep again, Axel." Truth be told, the only funny part was with Roxas and Axel and the parodies, mostly everything else was stupid and annoying. And as for that comment about not killing you...... *Hides sharpened Rotary Ballad behind his back**, None of us would ever dream of it, even though you mostly critisize alot of our art work....

 

I don't hate yaoi. I like some.

Trust me, I love Touya x Yukito from Card Captor Sakura, and I don't mind anything of such like Gravitation, but these pairings are actually proven to be gay, in fact, the text, the book, the show, whatever, proves the fact that they are gay, as they get together, admit their feelings, etc. Is not interpretion.

Axel x Roxas and Riku x Sora, are nothing but fangirl dreams. Seriously, I've had yet to meet a actual gay guy who writes stories, fanarts, videos, anything all over sites, and if they are, it's definitely rare, I can see that. No. It always leads to one thing every time. Fangirls. That's all I see, and I can never take their yaoi in any serious way. At all. I understand that Nomura didn't place any KH pairings as canon, and wants fans to interpret what they want since he likes for them to spread their imagination (not to mention it might break sales). But really? Demyx and Zexion? When have they even talked? Zexion was utterly annoyed at Xigbar's putting his hand on his shoulder and acting all peppy in the FM+ scene, what makes you think Demyx of all members, will change that? At least support them when they had interaction.

Not to mention, Axel's quote in the end is overrated by many, is like what he said = OMGISOOCANON!

No, it isn't. Axel said Roxas was the only one he liked, because, hell, he was the only one he liked, we actually see it. Roxas made him feel like he had a heart, because the kid did, and he said that Sora made him feel the same way, and I'm sure Axel knows that Roxas and Sora are two different people, considering in the written Novel of KH2, is revealed that Axel was actually planning to get Sora into a Heartless again, so he could get back his best friend. Selfish, but I understand where he was coming from (the way he lost his only friend was unfair, in my opinion). Even more better, Roxas is rumored to actually have a heart, and Saïx stated in FM+, that Axel could not really live without one (heart). I'm guessing that's why he was attatched to Roxas, other than being his best friend and the only person he can honestly talk to, the blond made him feel like he had a heart, and that's what he desired most. It would also explain why Sora made him feel like he had the organ as well. But that's for 358/2 Days.

And I like how they keep saying to just ignore and skip over those yaoi fanfics and all. There's a reason why yaoi fans don't complain about the het fics or anything, because there aren't that many, and they have no problem enjoying themselves or admiring a fanart because there is plenty to read.

However, anyone who wants to read a Sokai fic or a Roxaminé, have to scroll fifty thousand pages to find one (exaggeration, I know, but gets the point across), make that even a good one. Everywhere, is yaoi, yaoi ,yaoi, yaoi, Roxas x Axel, Sora x Riku, Xemnas x Saïx, Demyx x Zexion, yaoi, yaoi, ooh a Sokai, yaoi, yaoi, yaoi. In DeviantArt when we search, the place is full of yaoi pictures, most of them are, if not, is of Org. members, or a single character drawing.

Sorry, but the truth of the matter is, we can't ignore it, at least, not completely. It's all over and in our faces (not to mention, all by girls again), and that's the problem, and why I get why some complain. Okay fine, you like a certain pairing, write a fic or something, but is like nonstop, and there's rarely anything for ones that like het pairings (though I've seen some are working on spreading it more). I probably took the fact overboard, but none of you can't deny that's just the way things are. And is hard.

 

0-o, wow, you said basically everything I said, but I got pelted by turnips for. WHY TURNIPS!!?? *Pulls a small turnip out of ear and wipes the inside clean with his pinky finger.** I'm just the "Evil thread starter who's prosecuting against gays." Which I am not! I thank you for actually taking my side, and yet taking both sides and ending a long argument. Now maybe we can get back to Just Axel & Roxas. Doesn't even have to be about gay or straight. I'm now headed in a more positive approach about this.

*A voice comes out of a crowd behind Sebax, yelling out, "We were talking about Roxas and Axel?? Since when?!"

 

Dude, it's really doesn't really matter. It's just another person's opinion. It's fictional characters for gawd's sake. Get over it.

 

Well for Axel and Roxas, that's almost as errorneous as saying that Sora and Kairi ARE canon, which they aren't. It's all subjective, whether the fangirls abuse it or not. And the "gay guys" who write yaoi do exist, just as much as "straight guys" who write yaoi. Yuuup. That Hayner x Roxas story I read by one was spot on ;D

Just so you know, there is such a thing as "crack" pairing. These types are not supposed to be taken seriously; very few yaoi pairings are done for the purpose of having canonical elements. /; It's mostly done for the lulz, the eyecandy, the "how the characters would interact", or for fapping. But, like said, a majority are NOT supposed to be taken seriously! And whether you do or not is your problem, they're just looking at alternatives.

What are you doing, looking under a rock?

WHUT YAOI?

WHUT YAOI?

WHUT YAOI?

WHUT YAOI?

Really, just use the search bar in devART. All I put in was "kingdom hearts" then later "sora kairi". You don't even SEE any yaoi in the first couple of pages. FF.net has the greater possibility of actually only PICKING UP STORIES by the pairing you chose in the drop down menu. And if you know livejournal, there are communities even destined to one or several pairings. What you said was outright bull, period.

 

I couldnt agree more. =D

 

First of all the fangirls got hold of yaoi waaaaaay before Dumbledor could even of been considered gay so HAH!

And why can't they be gay? I see no problem with it, Roxas is what 15? Axel'd be about 18, he don't look it but it won't be much older than that.

Also, IT'S JUST A JOKE! Everyone truley knows that they won't be gay (Disney'll squash it), it's just how certain people choose to interpret it. Every one is entitled to like their own things in their own ways. And as I say on every thing yaoi fanart releated: Could you draw something like that as well as they did? Obviously you couldn't because you'd know the effort that'd go into the pics, it's not easy. Not that I've drawn anything above Shounen-Ai....
<_<


>_>

 

It's a game guys.

 

I got word that Disney's sporting same sex couples to exchange vows in Disneyworld.

 

I never disagreed with the fact of canon, not canon, I even placed in my post that, yes, you can imagine things your own way, because Nomura did leave it open ended. I just said, that I don't take it seriously like some real yaoi couples, because sometimes, yeah, I've had experiences where fangirls do take it canonly, and is at times almost scary.

I also never said that they don't exist, but just simply said that they are in the minority ;D (you can't expect me to not believe that a gay guy won't support or write about a yaoi pairing who plays KH, right?). The straight guy is questionable, but I'll make no other comment on it.

I never disagreed with that either xP. I am aware that some don't take it seriously, but also that some do, and that's just my opinion on it (just the way I posted my opinion on how I interpret AkuRoku). That's why I said, again, I don't take it so much as fact, with how they pair them up because they're cute together or whatnot, and I can't never get myself to read it, or even watch (in fanart).

Here are my quotes from the same post:

There was no reason to write this, because I even told outwardly that I was taking it over the top, and I knew I was doing it on purpose, yet I was simply trying to get a point across hard, because is always the same answer, "Ignore it". I also never outright stated that there isn't Sokai fics or any het pairings out there for us to read (in my post, I even said they are growing), just that they are in the minority. Sure, you can get fanarts and fanfics when you type the search you want, but in the end, is never enough for the yaoi out there, and while yaoi fics grow and grow, it takes a while before a good het fic appear amongst it (and I don't mean a half-a**ed n00b het fic either, where you just want to click away and not bother). So no, what I didn't say was outright bull, period.

I had some people agree with me on that account. You type in the character bar on FF.Net, "Sora" and "Kairi", and only 76 fics pop up (and trust me, those could be read pretty quick). Write "Sora" and "Riku", there's 144. And that's just Sora and Riku. I checked Roxas and Naminé compared to AkuRoku. They had 44 fics, while AkuRoku 108. Then of course, there's the Demyx and Zexion fics, the Saïx/Xemnas, etc. I took that to a more exaggerated level on explaining a bit of both sides, mostly mine.

 

I admittedly interpreted this part otherwise, so have nothing to add to this.

But you left that sentence in conditional, hence why I drove the point home. /:

How is it questionable? I really don't think sexuality should even be a question, seeing as how there are several wimminz out there who are quite proudly straight but view yuri as well. Likewise for the guys.

Stop being such a sycophant. >_> What I wrote was merely a remark. Either way, you sure as hell seemed rather ignorant on the matter. You never once mentioned otherwise and pretty much just generalized every fangirl into one category, hence the remark being said in the first place.

I know you said it was an exaggeration, but my point was, I think even to complain that you have to "scroll" or still have to go through some amount of "yaoi fics" to find your "het" is downright, and utter bullsh!t - no matter how big the yaoi platter is. I've LOOKED for Sora/Kairi footage myself, I am some what speaking out of personal experience too, and I can honestly say there is a (fairly) distinctive seperation between the two categories. My argument is that yaoi is avoidable, and that I don't see how you would be complaining about stumbling upon it if you really were looking in the right places/right way. Yeah, the statement "Ignore It" is what I'm sporting.

It has nothing to do with going through "the hurdle of icky yaoi fics" just to come across your gemstones. Whether the het is a minority and the yaoi is a majority is irrelevant to my point. Fanfiction.net isn't the only place to find Sora/Kairi.

 

This seriously makes me laugh.

There's going to be yaoi and yuri in every fandom fanbase . Period. Get the **** over it.

 

Considering that most straight guys here either don't care, are neutral, say that yaoi isn't in KH, or really show any interest, in my view, a heterosexual guy writing a yaoi fanfic is questionable to me for that reason, especially since being gay is a highly defensive topic for straight men in the community, internet or otherwise (it would be interesting to see what he said on the matter as well). Same for women, though is less. There's no other relevance to this point in the discussion, the end.

Nice use of a big word there. Interpret that however you feel like. Anyway, the reason I do generalize that most fanfiction come from fangirls, or simply, girls, in general, is because that is what I see. I've still yet to see a profile where it isn't a female writer, and even if they are men or gay men in the fandom that write yaoi (perhaps there is more on LiveJournal), is rare compared to the girls actually writing. The majority and masses are girls, that's the point trying to be made, and that's very visible the way I look at it.

Is not like I was trying to say I conclude every fangirl into a specific way of acting, I know a few mature ones out there that I respect that can argue their point. Is only that I can't take interpreted yaoi pairings seriously. That is all.

Since you know is a exaggeration, not to mention you keep saying you think is bull, I'm surprise how you got so defensive about it in the first place. I've only posted to give a specific reason why some het readers and watchers sometimes complain, and about how it cannot be easily "Ignored". It was never even suppose to be debated, I actually went "WTF" seeing as the thread was going to end soon. And yes, you can put Sora and Kairi on the search bar, but it still doesn't give enough. To read a fanfiction, let's say among the 44 Sokai fics some are either written in a n00b way of grammar, some don't make sense, some don't really have a plot, some are repetitive, and in the end, we do have to skip some over, and that lessens the number. Faster than you can say, we have to wait for a new fanfic to appear after we've read what we could. In one page there is either two or three het pairings fiction, and the rest are yaoi, likewise for the other pages, and that's really fact. Het fics are there, more so now than before after AkuRoku came out, thankfully, but in the fandom, is still in the minority in comparison, and I don't see any exact equality. I've also noticed that the most creative writers and stories that could be made are also written for yaoi, and that saddens me a lot since most of the better ones with the actual writing skills and imaginative plot in mind are in that part of the pairing scale. That's truth. Is probably easier for those who don't always go to read fanfics and don't always look for het pairings, but for some, is the way things are.

And I've posted the point I wanted to make on the fact why some het supporters can get a bit down on this, that was my job, it doesn't need to be debated, and I don't need to get it across or convince it to you. I'm done.

Agree to disagree then. Or else the thread will never die.

Being how your point seemed to be connected to specific points above, I don't see how is it irrelevant. I also like how you generalize the way we think in the way of "the hurdle of icky yaoi fanfics". As for FF.Net not being the only place, so far I've known of LiveJournal and MediaMinor.Org, some in DeviantArt, which in my opinion, is a bit more major on yaoi then Fanfiction.Net.

 

There's no reason to think they're gay. It's just a video game, not two actors coming out the blue saying Roxas broke up with Namine` after two months and then decided he's gay. Same goes for Axel. But if other people think that's the case, then they can think that, it's not my decision.

Seriously, he said that? 0_o

 

Well then, don't mind me for thinking you were trying to place the argument on your favor if you weren't.

When I said you generalized fangirls, I meant you generalized them in their way of thinking/ reasons for writing fanfictions on certain pairings. Not whether the majority of fanfiction come from girls. I said this, because (with the way you worded that part of the post) you seemed ignorant/unaware on the matter.

In your post, you specifically said for pairings such as "Demyx and Zexion" that they, as in the fangirls, should at least "back up" their interaction. Then in came the need to "inform you"/bring up the point that not all "fangirls" make fanfictions for the sake of having canonical elements, and that was all there was to it.

The reason why I commented on your original post was because from the the way you had worded it originally, you pretty much used "the yaoi" by means of it being a sort of obstacle to reach the het, (and its presence being wherever you stand). As if to obtain the "het goodies", you literally had to swim past some parts of yaoi, even with you noting it was an exaggeration. To me, it wasn't exactly plausible (especially with me small experience), and that the people who said to ignore it are right to say so.

But yes, continuing to head-butt on an issue of the like will obviously be futile, I just thought I should clear myself on the interpretation.

It isn't relevant because I was specifically talking about yaoi being avoidable, as in not forced to look into it. Despite yaoi being the larger number, you can still navigate through without having to force yourself to look into it.

For the record I actually took that generalization from your post.

 

Random questions

Yes you? Front seat person. yeah? Yes, I get a kick and a laugh outta yoai comics, but I don't support their motives.
Back seat (Driver, Bad-dat-ding) ? Disney, actually does have gay days, it's a event. Soap Opera days, and Star Wars day too at MGM.

Yellow shirt with the black zigzag and no hair? No I don't think snoopy would look good with Axel either.

Xenmas? Sir, your relationship with Saix does not help my argument.

You there, the fangirl in a black jacket-coat? What's that you have behind your back? NO!
NOT THE TURNIPS!!

Yes Mr. O'Reiley? (Bill of course, as if it's a factor) No I do not support Dumbledore out of the closet, that's off topic, sir. Oh, and good coverage story on the topic with Comedian Mr. Moore. (Yes, I actually watch the O'Reily factor often, face it, the mans a Genius. He can end an argument with no hard feelings with a raise of the hand. I raise my own hand and then.....turnips....)

Yes you, Mr. Diddey? You say **** The ****en *****ers up the ****en ***? Nice language, there pal.

Ms. Spears? No, I don't think that if Axel and Roxas had kids, 0_o, Axel would drive a car with the kids on his front lap. Axel would wear the pants.

^_^ I LUUUUUV Randomness and good humor. Guests:
Charlie Brown (The peanuts)
Bill O'Reiley (The O'Reily Factor)
Diddey (Rapper)
Xenmas (DUH!!)
Britanny Spears
Fan girls, with speacial guests: Lotsof Turnips who we all know from that hit NBC Sitcom that lasted for two hours only.

"WAIT!" A Dark Hooded person bursts out of flames, holding red Chakras. "You people have been talking all about me.... And I haven't had my own word in edge wise." The dark hooded figure says. The man pushes his hood back to reveal red hair, two green marks under his eyes......and a pink scarf and Mascare? "I can't belive how sick you people are." He notices the scarf and quickly hides behind his back.

And.....Axel........ (Need I say more)

 

For the record that was not funny, at all.

 

Personally I didn't even get what was going on.