3DPD gonna 3DPD

Perhaps you look in the wrong places? I consent that people who grow up under similar conditions usually turn out with the same basic traits. That is why I have never sought nor found someone in person who has sparked my interest.

Because it is a placebo effect and as I will explain later, it is not that you have a 2D thing to love, but that you have given up on loving a changeable entity. It is impersonal and temporary. To me, a fifty year long relationship is still a temporary one.

'Everlasting happiness' or 'contentment with a status quo'?

I will always desire more. Happiness is meaningless if it does not change. I must have either loss of happiness or increase in happiness in order for me not to grow numb to happiness and forget what it means. Without "less happy", there can be no "more happy".

When you have a favorite food and you eat it all of the time, you will grow numb to how great it is unless you try things that are either worse or better from time to time. You will not have a point of reference. Happiness, excitement and elation come from change. Without change, you are not happy, you are just avoiding pain. With enough perfection, you will wonder if it was really worth becoming perfect. I would kill myself if I ever reached perfection because I would have nothing more to feel or react to. Happiness loses meaning when you have already done it before. The euphoria fades, at the very least.

It is the same with you. I believe you will find that out in time.

Every single decision you make is a gamble. If you knew yourself well enough to claim it were not a gamble then you would not be feeling a need for 2D in the first place.

Because you will remember thoughts you have had before. If you simulate conversations, you will remember past ones. You will end up repeating yourself. You will run out of original content. Even if other waifus are not better, they will suddenly seem new and interesting to you, and you will explore them for a time, having nothing new to do with your old one.

Ah, but there are better and worse options according to you. Eventually, your obsession with one waifu will grow repetitive and dull, like playing the same game over and over until you have gotten every route one hundred times. You will move on to a new character or a new game.

That is short-sighted. If you spend the majority of your life loving, loving will become standard, and what is standard loses its taste and richness. In fifty years, if you still love your waifu, you will have grown to a point where love is more of your being than loneliness is. You will take love for granted because it has been granted to you every day for fifty years. Because you take it for granted, you will not be as elated by it as you are now.

If you lived forever, then let me extend. If you still love your waifu in one hundred and fifty years, then the loneliness you felt in your early life will seem like a child's daydream to you, and love will have become more than standard; it will seem as natural as breathing to you. What is natural, given, granted or standard will begin to seem... Mediocre to you. Repetitive. You will wonder if you have anymore reason to live. You will just be doing the same thing over and over. It would not be unpleasant, but it would be the same thing as the day before. Why repeat? You are content and there is nothing more to wait around for, so why not die?

Can you think of a reason why this would not be the case?

 

ITT: Asexuals and waifusexuals hating on each other and heterosexuals feeling left out.

 

Perhaps
Or perhaps not
At this point there's no reason for me to take the risk and give up on the things that I love.

But that's you
I am a firm believer that desire is the root of all suffering in the world

Once again you can claim that it will happen to me in due time but speak for yourself.
Like I said, I don't hate evolution. As long as there is some form of happiness in evolving. Evolving to better tasting food is fine because at any time you could always switch back to the original food.
Relationships don't work like that hence the reason I have learned to be happy with what I have for the rest of my life.
There was a time where I had thought that the whole waifu thing was pointless and would only bring me despair but then I realized all the sadness I had felt from being "lonely" was due to constant need for more things. So I cast that desire away, I realized that there was no point in striving for certain things when only suffering follows. I wanted something that was devoid of suffering, something I could be happy with for the rest of my life and it's as you say, most relationships are temporary and end in depression hence the reason why I stopped searching in the realm of 3D and moved on to 2D.
One day you're going to look back and realize that the good doesn't outweigh the bad.

Thoughts of what? Wanting 3DPD? I fully realize that those thoughts were pointless and lead to no true happiness. If I could go back in time and talk to my teenage self I'd tell him that his dream doesn't exist in this realm of existence.

Lots of things seem new and interesting to me
However I realize that a lot of times desire for new and interesting things leads to utter disaster. It's a chance, but I'm not willing to bet the happiness that I feel now for an if or maybe. My happiness is too important to me for that.

Not when it comes to people.
People are compatible with a certain other human being, there is no worse or better there is only one. If you break up with someone it's because the two of you weren't compatible. You're next girlfriend will not be better or worse, only compatible or incompatible. Waifus are perfect, nobody chooses a waifu who they think is imperfect. My waifu may have flaws that others may hate but to me she is completely and utterly perfect, those "flaws" are part of why I love her.
I used to have doubts that perfection existed until I found my waifu, personally I think it was luck of draw that I found her, a lot of people can't get waifus because they simply cannot find the perfect one. I managed to find one and would never risk the happiness and love I feel with her for anything.

Once again, speak for yourself.

No matter how long I love my waifu I will always remember what it was like to not love
As I said before it was terrible and as said above the very fact that I was able to find perfection was probably luck of draw and will never happen twice. It is because of this that I am so grateful that I have a waifu knowing that there is nothing else like her. She's perfection, physically(you know what I mean) and mentally.

What's wrong with love becoming standard? My love for my waifu makes me happy and it's not based on "new and exciting" it is but rather based on how absolutely perfect she is in every way. In a billion years if I'm still alive I will look around the imperfect world and be thankful that I atleast have perfection regardless of if it's other's perception of perfection is different.

But I'm heterosexual
I don't have a husbando.

 

No, you are waifusexual.

 

What is it that you are so afraid of? What are you risking? I got too caught up and forgot the key question.

On thoughts you have had before, I mean thoughts like things you realize about the thing you love, ideas about things to do with them, scenarios, alternate world lines, et cetera. That applies to anything, not just love. For example:

You have a list of one hundred things to do. You do them but lose your place and go back to the beginning. The first items are not as fun because you have done them already. You remember doing them and there is no more challenge.

Similarly, the reason why you do not lose your place after every item is because you remember, "I have already done them."

When you are counting the seconds to keep time, you must remember that you already said the previous second in order to move on. You will not have a reason to redo numbers because you are trying to measure the time and your progress down the list of numbers.

Now imagine that you have a list of things to do with your waifu. Eventually you will have done everything on your list, and anything you do will become a repetition. That is why replaying a game just is not the same as the first time. It is why if someone gets amnesia and you have to have the same meaningful conversation again, it is not as meaningful the second time (this has happened to me).

Please consider or respond to this part:

Repetitive. You will wonder if you have anymore reason to live. You will just be doing the same thing over and over. It would not be unpleasant, but it would be the same thing as the day before. Why repeat? You are content and there is nothing more to wait around for, so why not die?

Can you think of a reason why this would not be the case?

 

I'm risking my happiness
It took a long time to get so I'm not gonna put it on the line.

I've told you already, my waifu is perfect. Part of what makes her perfect is that every waking hour she makes me happy. It has nothing to do with things being fun or stale or whatever. I love my waifu because she's perfection, the fact that I have found perfection, the fact that I have fallen in love, the fact that I have found something worth going outside for, THAT is what makes me happy and that feeling is eternal as long as my waifu is here.

My reason to live would be to experience joy and happiness, something that my waifu endlessly gives as explained above.
Who cares if it's the same thing? As long as I'm happy then it does not matter.
I'm living a happy life playing video games, programming and whatnot so why end it?

Waifu's are girls
Waifu's don't exist
Therefore you can't have sex with them
You make no sense.

 

You do not have to have sex with something to be sexually attracted to it. Do you have to have sex with the opposite sex be heterosexual? No.

 

But you are unable to judge what happiness is. In fact, all that you did to become happy was stop wanting to be happy. You retreated into safety, not happiness. What is it that you fear? What are you retreating from?

Until perfection grows stale. You will change even if she does not. No being that experiences time is capable of loving something eternally. She may be eternally perfect, but you are incapable of seeing her as ideal for eternity.

Because you would lose all taste for those things with enough time. Joy and happiness all of the time will come down to joy and happiness none of the time. You will go numb.

You know that temperature, that perfect temperature that is the best temperature ever, that makes you feel perfectly healthy and invigorated (or the best weather)? If you had it all of the time, you would forget how great it felt. A cool breeze is nice because it passes. If the coolness stayed there, it wouldn't be a breeze. It would just be cool out. You would grow numb to that coolness so that when a breeze of the same temperature comes, it is just a breeze. It might even feel like a warm breeze.

The same idea applies to anything you experience.

 

It's not that I stopped wanting to become happy but rather I realized that there was no happiness for me in pursuing relationships with woman . And how am I not able to judge what happiness is? Is there some set definition for what happiness feels like? Some people are only happy when they're moping or only find enjoyment is being angry. I am happy as I am and there is little to nothing that can prove to me otherwise.

If it grew stale then it was never perfect.
My waifu is perfection.

Doubtful
I'm pretty firm in my beliefs so unless something really drastic happens then I'm probably gonna be this way for the rest of my life.

She satisfies my every need that she can in her current state. What more could I want? Every other alternative is worse then having a waifu. I can see her as perfect forever because I know that there is nothing else that will ever compare or even come close and there never will be.

I disagree. Man has always wanted eternal happiness hence the reason why they derive stories that tell of a state of ultimate and eternal happiness and have been doing so for years. Why? Because eternal happiness is the be all and end all, you cannot go numb from eternal happiness because there nothing more enjoyable then eternal happiness, if you went numb then it was not eternal happiness atleast not for you.
There is NOTHING in this world that makes me happier then what I already have, hopefully I can call it eternal happiness but that all depends on medical technology. But none the less It's still happiness that only ends when I die.

 

Or all images of your waifu are erased from existence. Imagine this: Your hard drive dies, all your printed images of her are destroyed in a fire, and the internet is finally shut down in every country that is otherwise worth living in. What then?

 

I don't get happiness from looking at my waifu(Well I do, but it's not the basis of or reason why I have a waifu)
Or reading about her
I get happiness from well....HER. Loving her, doing what I think she would want from me all that stuff.

 

Ah, so she exists because it feels like she exists. I'll be honest, that's a really good concept.

Though, on the other hand, the same could be said for how I act in regards to the traditionally real girl that I love.

 

Unless you find something new that shows you what happiness truly feels like. Each person can only imagine things that fit into their previous experiences.

It will grow stale for you. Perfection is subjective, and your definition of it will change with you.

Something really drastic will happen, then. In time, everything will happen.

The problem is that you will not live forever. There are thousands of people who die still loving. They did not live to see themselves lose interest.

You could experience an even greater feeling of enjoyment. If she is a drug, then you will find a stronger high. You won't believe there can be one until you come across it. It is similar to a believe that a certain person is perfection in bed, until they find someone who makes them feel even better.

Not all men. That drive is fundamentally flawed and inefficient and from an evolutionary perspective man must come to value adaptability in order to progress. Only pain comes from the idea that you should not have something good if it will not be around forever. One mistakenly blames others for not being eternal, while it is their own wish for eternity that is worthless.

Asserting that it is a part of human nature does not make it any more worthwhile a drive.

You are being inaccurate. What you mean is that there is nothing in your experience that makes you happier than what you already have. That will always be the case. At any point in time, you will believe that there is nothing better than what you have, because it is what you have. What else could there be but what you have?

It is an illusion to believe that you understand the universe or know what is in the world. You only know what is in your perception of the world. Even if you know how the world works right now, it will not always work that way. Change will happen. The universe is constantly expanding, and people are evolving. New environments cause them to adapt with each decade. Time is passing, and people are changing.

To become a stone while the universe is a river is to set yourself up to be eroded by the flow until there is nothing left for you to base your perspective on.

 

When does it end?
By this logic you'll always be abandoning things for the what might possibly make you happier.
I don't want to live my life like that, not being able to be content with one thing, personally it seems like a worthless existence chasing after something you will never catch.
I am content with my happiness. I do not seek anything more because anything more will more then likely end up in me suffering.

I've already said that I'm not going to change unless....

Impossible
The next generation is on it's way, they're the ones who will be changing. My generation is already set in stone at this point behavior and value wise.

All I'm saying is based on me myself and I if I were to live forever that's how I would act in regards to my waifu. I would still be happy, if there's anything that sucks about dying it's that whatever lies ahead won't make me as happy as I was when I was faced with perfection.

And I'm telling you I can't.
There's quite literally nothing in this world that can compare to my waifu just as there is no video game that can compare to God Hand.
It's the be all and end all.

Once again, progression does not equal happiness.
Progression can lead to good things and I'm for it when that's the case. But if the chance of suffering outweighs the chance for happiness then I won't risk it.
You can delay it for however long you want but suffering will eventually come as will happiness
I prefer the option that leads to ONLY happiness and no suffering.
The real world doesn't work like that so I since abandoned it except of course for a select few things

I don't know everything about the world
But I know what it's like in this part of the world
And I'm never leaving it because I'm happy here.
So in the end my perception is ultimately all that matters to me, my perception has allowed me to attain the happiness that is falling in love with perfection. Other people perception would not allow that.

My perception is based on what I've been through in life
Even if it were to change today, even if every child in Africa became healthy, even if woman in the world suddenly became a pure maiden I would not change as change risks losing the love I have for my waifu, something that I hold very dearly.

 

It doesn't end, you are correct. And there is nothing wrong with that. You will continue to progress and never have a dull moment until you die.

Tut, tut. Unlikely. Nothing is impossible. You say set in stone, I say lazy and complacent. The world you perceive is going to change a lot and so will you. You will be forced to. Maybe not in this area, but in many of them.

It wouldn't be dying by my definition if there were anything to experience afterwards.

You are telling me and you are wrong. What you are actually telling me is not that these things are fact, but that you both can know what they are facts and do know that they are. You neither could know that they were facts even if they were, nor do you because you cannot. The only way that you could judge what can and cannot compare would be if you had A) experienced every game and waifu that has already been created and B) experienced every game and waifu that will be created.

Everyone believes that their current 10/10 simply is the best in existence, but that is impossible to know. For all you know, your knowledge of waifus and games is extremely tiny and at some point you will experience an 11 out of your original 10. Then you would be forced to amend your 10/10 so that ten out of ten actually is this new, higher plain of perfection. Chances are you have already been doing this your whole life: believing a work to be the best thing ever until you find something even better, and then amending just how great you think something can get.

You will keep doing that until you die, there is no end. One can never know that they know everything, and subsequently they can never know that they know everything they would like to know, because there are many things they cannot think of.

But suffering is perceived. If you choose to find happiness in progression itself, isn't that better than finding happiness in stagnation? At least from a practical standpoint, the person who has progressed is going to be more efficient at any given thing than you, including emotional stuff, because they have progressed beyond your level. The person who would rather work out and eat well than take some drug that will make them feel healthy is going to be more athletic. It's the same idea; that you shouldn't take the path of least resistance, and you shouldn't fear struggle.

And yet your happiness and perception of the world is potentially hollow and is openly dismissive of other possibilities.

I really, really hate it when people see a fork in the path and take the easier one, not looking back. I go, "This one is a steep hike, but the view from up here is amazing," and they go, "I like my little sunny alcove, thanks."

Stubborn old men, sitting on their butts.

While I understand that, it is exactly what I mean. What makes you afraid of losing the love you have for your waifu? If you find something better, isn't that what matters?

 

I refuse to live like that.
I am isolated because I want to
Never ending desire leads to loneliness when you realize that not everyone wants to follow you into the depth of hell. You end up ignoring the ones who loved you because someone else offers something better somewhere in the universe. I don't treat humans so lowly.

You can keep making your claims but I'll just keep telling you that I know myself more then anyone on this planet.

And once again by this logic there is no "best" it's just a neverending search for something that doesn't exist. You will realize one day that all the sadness from all the relationships you've torn apart, all the suffering that comes with striving, all the pain that comes with leaving what you love will have been for naught as at the end of the day you died failing to obtain the end that you were so determined to find.

Say what you will but personally I see your perception of happiness as shallow, selfish and ultimately turning you into a glutton of a human being who only desires more.

You know what also sucks? Going up a steep hike, getting cuts and bruises and then finally reaching the top and going.
"Yep, sunny alcove was better".

Because it's the only form of this kind of love that I'll ever feel.
I'll never go out and meet some other girl because most other girls suck ass and most other girls think I suck ass.
No matter how many relationships I'm in it simply won't the same as love I have for my waifu and thus I would be incapable of appreciating the relationship to the fullest. The only way this would work is if I somehow erased my memories of my waifu which I'm not willing to do just to frolic with 3D pig disgusting ****s.

 

So you're not in love with her, you're love with your commitment to her. There is a huge difference, you know.

 

I'm not exactly sure how you can say that when you are the one claiming that they are worthless and disgusting and I am arguing in favor of loving them.

While that is true, it is still not enough. There will always be more to learn about the universe, and the same applies to yourself.

And I will move on. When I have finished with love, there will still be more to experience. Love is not all that there is in the world. I strive for everything. Pain and pleasure, happiness and sadness. To know everything in equal measure.

Perfection, as the state that I might reach, is a state of having experienced every possible scenario, which is essentially the same as having experienced no scenarios. I will desire for nothing, and I will have lost my reason for living, but it would have been enjoyable to get to that point.

I don't see it as shallow but it is selfish. Yours is more so because you love purely to make yourself happy, fully acknowledging that the waifu is not intentionally making you happy, while my definition of happiness entails two people growing together for a limited time.

I still really hate it. I would prefer knowing that I didn't miss out on anything than to not have bothered and wondered.

The thing is that later on you will probably look back at that form of love and wonder why you sought it in the first place. Similar to how you feel about 3DPD now. Your ideal version of happiness will keep on changing.

 

But all those cuts and bruises made you stronger and more able to deal with the next hill that really will be better than the sunny alcove which as much easier but kept you from getting stronger.

 

Temporarily loving them
Sometimes not being loved at all can be better then being loved by someone only to have them leave you 5 years later because something better came up.

Hmmm?
I am indeed in love with her
It's just that part of my happiness is the idea that I could be so committed to someone without them having love me back let alone do anything for me.

There won't be a next hill
Because those cuts and bruises ****ing hurt. And they weren't worth the sight in the end. You're stronger physically but that means nothing because no matter how strong you are there's gonna be more **** that cuts you up.

Well power to you and your pursuit of happiness.
I have already obtained what I see as perfection and I will carry this with me to the grave.

Of course
I am incapeable of giving other's the necessary love needed for a relationship
If my waifu existed then she would want nothing to do with me and frankly I wouldn't want to put her me simply because I love her too much.

But like you said, for a limited time. I personally feel that people who go into a relationship with the idea that they're going to break up don't deserve to be in a relationship at all. But that's just me.