Why the Heartless were so powerfull in the first game and they suck in the second?

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  1. DanceWaterDance Twilight Town Denizen

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    Heartless were so powerfull in the first game. They were a lot more powerfull than humans, and only special blades or magics could defeat them. The keyblade were extremely effective against them, but still they were powerfull. Aside from the keyblade, few other blades were able to defeat the hertless, like Leon's blade or the Soul Eater. Also magics could help defeat heartless. But if you use ordinary weapon, there were no way to defeat them. When Sora used the wooden sword, it had no effect on hertless or it did very little damage.
    But in KH2 heartless suck and it seems that any random dude can defeat them. Sora is able to defeat 1000 of them with little effort, and we see that gullwings (seriously, gullwings???) defeat some heartless, and Tifa defeats some heartless without using any weapon -.-'', I mean, in the first game if you use wooden sword it didn't have any effect or it did very little damage, but still in KH2 she is able to defeat without even using any weapon.
    Plus, in the second game a shi.t like Pete is able to control them. In the first even Maleficent isn't able to control them (Ansem SoD said that), how Pete can control them?
    And about Maleficent, in the first game she was worth the name she has, but in the second, she only sucks.
    What do you think?

    Excuse me if there are some grammatical errors, I'm Italian
     
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    It's meant to show Sora's growth. He's much more powerful in KH2
    And when you use the wooden sword in Hollow Bastion, it is possible to hurt heartless
    Maleficant's role decreased alongside all the other Disney characters
     
  3. DanceWaterDance Twilight Town Denizen

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    No, it isn't meant to show Sora's strenght, since like I wrote even weak people like the gullwing can defeat them, it's more like they weakened the heartless. By the way, heartless should be theorically stronger than humans, so that means that Sora can defeat 1000 humans alone?
    As for wooden sword in H.B,I know that, but you still do very very little damage compared to the amount of health the heartless have, so it's more or less the same.
     
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    The gullwings had to use significant effort to defeat heartless, and they had to use gravity to do it.
    There isn't anything that says a heartless has to be stronger than a human, and besides, Sora is hardly normal. He wields light, the exact weakness of heartless. In thwe 1k heartless battle he uses the power of the heartless against them as well
    And a special weapon never was needed. Going back to Hollow Bastion, all Beast had were his claws
    All you need to damage a heartless is a strong heart
     
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    If you need only a strong hearts to damage heartless, then why Kairi can't defeat heartless until he got his keyblade? She is a princess, so she should have one of the strongest hearts
     
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    Probably because she never tried. The time she protected Sora against them, her light fended them off (and returned Sora to normal).
     
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    From what I remember, any weapon wielded correctly can destroy a heartless, but only the keyblades can free the captive hearts held within. With everybody else such as Tifa and Leon, they can destroy a heartless but it will just reappear again a bit later. Sora and the other keybladers get rid of them completely
     
  8. DanceWaterDance Twilight Town Denizen

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    But that doesn't explain why you do such little damage to heartless with wooden sword. I mean, if you only need a strong heart the weapon you wield shouldn't count
     
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    Sora was weak at game one (he wasn't even entitled to the keyblade), If you pick Sora at game one you will see that his movement is horrible, his attacks were terrible as well (his combos), after a lot of power ups he becomes strong enough even though his moves are still off.

    Since game one was stated that people could kill heartless , but they would return if not stoped by the keyblade. The danger that the heartless represent was more due to:

    1) They prey on people's hearts , and even worse world's hearts.

    -> It is like this.. a normal zombie is weaker than a regular person (not a child like Sora), but zombies infect others thus becomes a threat... heartless could even destroy the entire world if they find the "keyhole", making them a time bomb in any world that they arrive.. also Heartless prey other dark hearts and thus become more powerfull classes.

    2) They don't need to rest, they don't need to "care over their lives", they can come back if killed with more among them.

    In KH2 Sora was older, more experienced and more powerfull all his moves are faster and better, I also think that the heartless appeared somewhat weaker... but that was only to show a major threat the "Nobodies" , if they are only born from strong hearts/wills it is clear that they should be stronger than "most heartless".. but even the nobodies didn't become the major threat that the heartless were because they didn't steal hearts.
    As for Kairi she never fully control her powers, but she did something with the Unversed that attacked Aqua, didn't become a heartless while walking at the dark corridors with Axel he said "you are impressive a normal person would already be turned into a heartless by now", She recovered sora from his heartless form, and she and the other princesses kept the darkness of the final keyhole with their hearts.
     
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    By the time he arrives at Hollow Bastion he already gain a lot of strenght. He can beat Hercules.
     
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    It's still a piece of wood. It can damage them... but it's not exactly ideal for hurting anything
     
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    Well, but why Tifa can defeat heartless only punching them? An why the gullwing can defeat them, even if they were 3 against 1? That's what bugs me
     
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    Tifa is a trained martial artist
    The Gullwings have a hard time taking out a single heartless
     
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    Other than what everyone said, I think it's fair to assume that the Heartless got weaker after Sora defeated the World of Chaos and returned the worlds back to normal.
    Didn't someone in-game even say something along those lines?
     
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    Dude, Sora's just stronger. Tifa can tear apart Mechs and Sephiroth with her bare hands, and the Gullwings still took tremendous effort to beat the Heartless, and that was just by pushing it down a hill.
     
  16. DanceWaterDance Twilight Town Denizen

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    But when in KH you have the wooden sword in Destiny Island you can't even touch heartless and they were only shadows. I'm a lot confused. Maybe you are right, Shift, after they seal the keyholes, defeat Ansem and restore the world order, the heartless got weakened because the darkness is less.
     
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    Because Sora didn't have a strong enough heart at the time.
    Not being able to hit an enemy is used in KH as more of a way to show a character is outclassed, like when Roxas can't beat a Dusk until he gets the keyblade
     
  18. Hiro ✩ Guardian

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    That's because your heart isn't strong enough and you can't damage them if it isn't. That's already been constantly repeated so much everyone probably gave up because you're so intent on being right.
     
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    Yes, it should be like that, it isn't like like you can't touch them at all, only that you are weaker, but this can confound a bit
     
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    If you could beat the heartless on Destiny Islands before getting the keyblade, their threat level would be drastically reduced