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  1. Fearless A good and beautiful child

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  2. Hiro ✩ Guardian

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    There is so much truth to this article.
     
  3. Llave Superless Moderator

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    Yay for cis white males. jk I think a female Doctor would be cute.
     
  4. burnitup Still the Best 1973

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    First off, a older actor playing the Doctor again is great.

    Second, a female Doctor could work. They just need to get a good actress and writer. Just not Moffat. That guy isn't a bad writer but I wouldn't want him handling a female Doctor.
     
  5. Heart ❤ Enjoy every moment with all ya got

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    I read this on tumblr and I agree. I turly don't like Moffat.
     
  6. Plums Wakanda Forever

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    I don't think Moffat's a bad guy, but I think he needs to get his head into the 21st century, lol. I've not had much experience with his writing or Doctor Who in general, but considering his portrayal of Irene Adler in the Sherlock series, I know he can make a really strong character, male or female, but I think he's just too caught up on the idea of the Doctor as a dude he isn't really considering his fanbase or potential new kind of relationship that a female Doctor could have with a female companion (Clara).
     
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    I like the idea of a female Doctor, but I can't see a way that it could be done without making it seem like fanfiction. Yes, we've seen much weirder regenerations (including a "non-human" one thanks to Romana), but each of the Doctor's incarnations has been a humanoid male and it has been implied this is his preference. Unless something beyond the Doctor's control were to interfere with his regeneration, I would find it out of character for him regenerate as a woman. I would be just as happy with a female Doctor as I am with a male Doctor, but I can't think of a good way for it to happen.
     
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    http://jezebel.com/doctor-whos-dude-preference-is-as-creatively-lazy-as-i-1045184367

    Relevant.

    I'm not as outraged as some, I rather like Capaldi, but it'll be cool to see when it happens, which I know it will.
    If you mean "out of character" as in "out of the restraints of regeneration," you're wrong. Not only have there been mentions of Time Lords gender switching after a regeneration, but just look at the Tennant -> Smith regeneration scene: when he realizes he has longer hair he immediately assumes he's a girl and has to check his Adam's Apple to be sure. Clearly it is possible.

    If you mean "out of character" as in "the Doctor's traits would not translate to a female character," why not? It's not only perpetuating the gender binary to say this, but what of the Doctor's traits could not be applied to a female character? based on my viewing of the show & interpretations, none of his fundamental traits...
    • Optimistic
    • Hero, champion of "good"--saving who he can, making people and the world a better place (though that is based on his often interpretation of good)
    • Self-sacrificing
    • Impatient
    • Arrogant
    • Warrior w/ survivor's guilt
    • Lonely
    • Powerful ("It's taken me all these years to realize that the laws of time are *mine* and they will obey me!")
    What of that couldn't be encapsulated in a female Doctor, excluding male pronouns? Those are not traits traditionally applied to female characters, of course--female characters are often the damsels in distress or manic pixie dream girls in Doctor Who (though even I can defend the show on that score)--but that's particularly why it's so compelling to have a woman play the Doctor. We have so few female characters as brave and powerful as the Doctor that we are calling for more, and scifi is the perfect genre for it. It's about presenting a world and concepts that are new and different, shaking things up, but ultimately giving us a world that reflects our own. Anything can happen in scifi, including a gender switch in such a traditionally male role.
     
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    That's not even close. As I mentioned in my own post, we've seen similar and even more unusual regeneration in other Time Lords.

    That's kind of close, but not really. What I meant was that the Doctor seems to prefer the form of a human male (just look at Eleven's reaction when he thinks that he became a woman) and I can't think of a good reason (story-wise, that is) why he'd decide to go female. The most straightforward way of doing it would be to create a situation in which a real, Gallifreyan female Time Lord is required to save the world, but that would make the "big twist" way too apparent. Making Capaldi's Doctor transgender male-->woman would also be a way of doing it, but that would be really hard to do without making it seem like a major ass-pull.

    I'd also like to mention that no matter what the Doctor's sex is, he'll always be a man in my eyes. Even if the Doctor were to become female, I'd still see him as a man unless there's some kind of establishing character moment to show that the Doctor has truly become a woman rather than just a female.
     
  10. Tyrant Valvatorez Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Let me just say that the idea of a female Doctor sounds cool, on paper.
    But when you actually do it I get the fear it will not work out, that's why I say no to a female.
    And let me remind you guys that even though Moffat has been writing some not so good scripts lately (The only awful script he's written is Asylum of the Daleks) I wouldn't say they're something that would make me go "I'm never watching Doctor Who again!" and yes season 7 wasn't really that great, but lets not forget that Moffat has written some of the BEST scripts for the new Who generation also: The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances (still one of my top episodes of Doctor Who of ALL time) The Girl in the Fireplace (one of the saddest episodes of Doctor Who ever), Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. The guy is also running another popular show on BBC that is not only popular in Britain, but also popular here as well.
    Also I'm going to say this again, we need an older Doctor and I'm glad Peter is the 12th Doctor, as much as I loved Matt Smith and the other Doctors of the new Who generation I have to say this is my HUGE problem with NewWho: its too emotional. There's nothing wrong with emotion its just that I feel like new Doctor Who is concentrating too much on it, it feels less like Sci-Fi and more like a drama, new fans don't seem to realize this sadly and that's why they're complaining about an older Doctor. I want to tell new fans to just watch older episodes of Doctor Who and realize that its a Sci-Fi show, not a sappy drama, hopefully Peter shows fans this.
    All I really have to say is that Moffat can be a good writer but you need to slow down on your scripts, I feel like season 7 was rushed like hell and that's why we've gotten "meh" scripts, he needs to learn to take his time or at least make two parters, that would help a bit. Since the 50th anniversary episode comes out this November I still have a lot of faith in it, I know I shouldn't hold too much faith but I can feel that it will be good and I'm also praying that Matt's last episode is great also and not another "End of Time" (sorry people bad episode and horrible way to end Tennant's run)
     
  11. Misty gimme kiss

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    I'm just curious about why you think it wouldn't work.
     
  12. burnitup Still the Best 1973

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    The ending of that was really terrible.

    I think it is because it could be screwed up really hard.
     
  13. Tyrant Valvatorez Gummi Ship Junkie

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    It's mostly my opinion really.
    I just find it odd that a Time Lord who has been male the entire series and than all of a sudden regenerates into a women is off, I mean this guy kissed women and use to look like this:
    [​IMG](I still love the first Doctor <3)
    It's just something I don't think will work out, don't mind changes, hell Doctor Who is all about change but take one huge change and it might risk jumping the shark.[DOUBLEPOST=1375933994][/DOUBLEPOST]
    Agreed, the Masters plan served no purpose (in fact bringing the Master back was stupid in the first place "book of Saxton" are you ****ing kidding me RTD?) and the why was the Doctor whining about himself regenerating, he's done it multiple times, and he still has the same memories, he's THE SAME MAN only with a new face and personality, that's it.
     
  14. burnitup Still the Best 1973

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    First off, are you implying that women don't or can't kiss other women? Got to say that's really shallow minded.

    Anyway,

    I think they run the bigger risk of royally screwing it up, jumping the shark is easy. But the Doctor changing genders via regen isn't jumping the shark, in fact it has been confirmed in the past that Time Lords can switch gender from a regeneration. It would be more jumping the shark to have a woman to suddenly play James Bond.
     
  15. Tyrant Valvatorez Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Of course I'm not, Women are free to kiss anyone, I live with a lesbian.
    But that doesn't mean you can suddenly put it in Doctor Who, that's what I'm saying.
     
  16. burnitup Still the Best 1973

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    What about the lesbian couple in the show already?

    Also, just because people want a female Doctor doesn't mean they want her to be a lesbian. Though it would make some sense all things considered.
     
  17. Tyrant Valvatorez Gummi Ship Junkie

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    I would answer this but this would start a new argument and is completely off topic, so I'll just say that I don't think that was a good idea


    No matter what Time Lords regenerate to, they're still the same person, same memories, same mind.
    It's odd for someone who is the same person to say to kiss a girl and than all of a sudden regenerate into a girl and start kissing men.
    Also I know this is off topic but if the Doctor was a lesbian than you all would have to admit, that's jumping the shark.
     
  18. burnitup Still the Best 1973

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    That is either a good idea or a bad one. Cause one can interpret your refusal to answer the question as a hiding bigger negative opinion.

    It's not jumping the shark. Jumping the shark is defined as the moment of downturn for quality and/or popularity for something that was otherwise successful. It was named such from an episode of Happy Days where the Fonz jumps a shark. It was considered the lowest point in the series.

    So in short:
     
  19. Tyrant Valvatorez Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Which basically what I'm trying to say.
    Making the Doctor female or gay would be the lowest point in the series, lower than the 6th Doctor.
     
  20. Misty gimme kiss

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    What we're all just curious about is why you believe it would ruin the show. What could be so wrong about having a well-written, female and/or gay/lesbian Doctor?