Kingdom Hearts II Roxas??? does he have real feelings?

ok, so me and some one from DA were talking about KH, and we got on this talk about Roxas and him having feelings, also about Xion having feelings and Axel, Namine, the whole 9 yards!

i told him that they dont have REAL feeling, that theirs are fake ones, but he keeps saying that IM wrong. Ive told him ive played all 6 games inside and out and i understand how the process works. He thought that Sora was a heartless in Chain of Memories. >_> C'mon.... really!?

SO tell me if im insane or not.

 

hmm... this question has puzzled me for awhile too. It does appear that nobodies like Roxas, Xion, Namine etc have feelings, despite the fact that they're nobodies and have no hearts or emotions. I don't think the game ever explains this very well but your theory about fake feelings seems beleivable. Some of my friends came up with the theory that because nobodies like Roxas and Namine are the nobodies of reeely strong hearted people like Sora and Kairi, they have some abilities that other nobodies lack such as emotions and maybe even hearts (This is all hypothtical of course).

 

Moving this to the Kingdom Hearts II section.

But anyway, wasn't the explanation for Nobodies like Roxas having feelings that they remembered what it was like to have a heart?

 

yah i can see where your friends could be right, they do show those signs of the strong hearted Sora.

yah, i think they mentioned that in like Days or something. but yah there just memories, not real feelings.

 

Yeah you hear lines like this from Yen Sid and less directly from Saix. Nobodies have memories of what having a heart was like and tend to pretend that they do. Honestly I see that as being mostly a plot hole fix, I mean do you know how boring the organization would be if they didn't show any emotion? Having a couple of stoics like Xemnas and Saix is cool, but all of them? They would not be nearly as enjoyable.

Now as with practically everything Kingdom Hearts we do hit some anomalies. In this case things start to unravel some with Roxas.

Spoiler: Roxas

He does have a legitimate heart. Ven's. It seems to be subdued some, but it is definitely there.

And to add to that his somebody is alive and that likely affects him. This seems to have resonated some with Axel and he described being with Roxas or Sora as "making him feel like he had a heart"

Namine shouldn't have a heart and doesn't show one strongly for the most part but towards the end of CoM she seems to gain a sense of morality. Perhaps she fell into a similar case as Axel, receiving a resonance from Sora? Perhaps like I mentioned before, her somebody being alive might play a role. Who knows. Like Axel she has no heart of her own but does show emotions at times.

Spoiler: Xion

Xion, not truly being a nobody, can have a heart no problem. Her emotions grow over time as she absorbs Sora through Roxas.

 

Isn't there also the possibility that

Spoiler: Birth by Sleep

Roxas holds a part or even all of Ven's heart, therefore giving him human-like qualities?

 

This question is the one on everyone's mind: Does Roxas actually have feelings?

It's very likely that, yeah, he does. It's probably because he has (or possibly has) Ven's heart, it stayed with him when he and Sora were separated.

 

I don't think he does, personally. I'd like to think that he can emulate feelings, sure, and probably emulate them well enough to make himself believe they are real feelings, even though they aren't.

 

He is isn't he? Not a proper one as he gained his sense of reason back but he's still an incomplete person without Roxas. Well that's how I see it anyway, I could be wrong. Unless Sora gets his own heart back from kairi

Spoiler

while Roxas takes Ven's heart.

As for 'does he have feelings?' I always thought he did because he somebody was still alive as people have said. He always seems so glum and upset and that could be due to the fact he just remembers what it's like, I can;t remember where but I swear I remember Xemnas (or someone, I don't know) saying he was special, he was different from other nobodies. I don't think this was due to the keyblade but more due to the fact that he has

Spoiler

Ven's heart within him which gives him emotions and the likeness of Ventus.

I thought that he was basically an empty vessel with Ven's heart therefore taking his appearance, way of acting etc.

 

Aren't feelings perceptions?
So if he thinks they're real they basically become real.

Anyway, I'd imagine most people like to think he does. The opening was one of the most emotional parts of Kingdom Hearts II and it's sort of hard to empthaize with him if you think the whole thing has no effect on him.

Plus that anger he had against DiZ at the end of the prologue seemed pretty real. :P

 

so is it safe to say that y'all are saying that Roxas is holding Ven's heart? But... what im wondering is, Ven's heart was asleep, and wasn't awake, cause he's sleeping in

Spoiler

Castle Oblivion

and at the end of BBS (secret ending)

Spoiler

terra and ven are waiting for sora to come wake them up

and aqua is trying to find both of them, well just terra.. but... yah, i get the whole sora being so close to Roxas thing, yah i get that, but Ven's heart....

 

When someone is comatose in KH it usually seems to mean that their heart is gone. Kairi through KH1

Spoiler: Birth By Sleep

Ven in the room of awakening

And about that secret ending

Spoiler: Blank Points

it appears to just be a metaphorical piece. We have Namine in the white room drawing Sora's return to the islands, but she had assimilated into Kairi at that point. We have Xion Axel and Roxas calling Sora's name but we've seen the entirety of Xion's lifespan and such an event did not occur. So we may see Terra and Ven together at Land of Departure again, just as we saw Namine in the White Room and the trio on Central Station, but that isn't something to be taken seriously.

 

now why would you say that? about the last part you typed.

 

Spoiler: explanation

As I said, the events can't have occurred in the context. That part of Blank Points occurs after KH2. None of the characters depicted in calling out Sora currently exist as themselves. Namine rests with Kairi, Xion and Roxas in Sora, Axel destroyed himself in KH2, Terra is a whole mess of things with Xehanort, and Ven sleeps waiting for his heart that resides in Sora. So none of those scenes could actually have happened.

 

oh! so your saying that this whole thing with Roxas is a total mess. So do you think that Coded had any way of clearing that up?

 

i think its a similar case to repiku where he has feelings but they're synthetic

 

For that to be true you need to question "Synthesized from where?" Repliku got his from Vexen's experiments. As far as I can tell Roxas never under went anything like that.

 

After he lost to Riku, and was sent to Diz to be put in the digital Twilight Town Diz gave him a new personality to throw off the Organization from finding him.

http://youtu.be/YLLwQdjtmBw (Starting at 9:30)

I would consider any of the feelings he showed during those 6 days to be a result of that and shouldn't be considered proof of Roxas having feelings or not. How exactly changing one's personality hides someone when they know exactly what he looks like is beyond me. Regardless any time before Roxas was captured and the real Roxas awakening on the sixth day should be fair game. Which would include his time during the organization and the now infamous scene of him crying over Xion's death. Personally, I find it likely he does have some sort of feelings, but they had to slowly develop as he had no memories as his time being human to actually know what emotions were.

 

Yeah, I wasn't counting that since it was towards the end of his life.

BTW, as for why it worked it was the dusks looking. Everything is data to them and the Roxas they were looking for was a nobody and by definition had no heart. That is why they were more drawn to the photos than to the actual person. Once Axel came to investigate though he was plenty smart enough to know, even with the false heart and loss of memories.

 

Oh okay. That whole thing was more directed towards Rienzel anyway.

Ah right, I forget. Kinda makes you wonder why DiZ didn't rename Roxas to make it even more difficult for them.