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Addressing when the poll will close, I posted this in reply to Kingdom Hearts530. ​

That's not what I said. You can add onto it, and say whatever you want, it's just that there's a lot of repetition going on here. So I ask that the points that have been addressed stay out of it, because I could literally copy and paste a past reply in to address the concern. However, if there's something new to add, go right on ahead. Same goes to everyone.

The read the thread was not addressed to you. ​

You're not having very good luck. :c Mine isn't either. /poorpoor Add me when you do finally make one, xD. Oh. c: HOW ARE YOU?

I redrew that so many times. >> Then I just quit. xDD Whhhat. What happened to your cell phone, again? Annnd. That sucks. I'm sad. ;_; FIX ET....

I will close it when the forum families decision has been reached, and staff makes a final decision about both together. c:​

I would like to ask that people stop bringing up the same points and topics for debate. Most of the complaints have been addressed already, please either counter the original responses to your complaint with further discussion and actual contribution or just quit all together. Read the thread.

Luxord, you already know your issues (and Nate's, apparently) with this have been addressed. The arguments are repetitive, and that's not helping either parties case. It's best to just leave it be, and that goes for everyone who posts after this.

READ THE ENTIRE THREAD. More than likely, your concerns have been addressed multiple times. ​

Who forgot you?! D:

As stated, if the leading vote was 'No', it would be dropped. Things have already changed because of the members opinions. Most members who did vote 'yes' seem to be more comfortable with the mod being installed. So that will be what's looked into first instead of the original OP.

In most polls there is a majority, that's how a decision is reached. Question time and KHV Awards as examples.
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Everyone has a different writing style and RP method. It wouldn't be fair to set a 'good post' standard in terms of content. As long as it's relevant, effort has been put into it, and it meets requirements.

Back to the Creativity Corner comparison, not all stories are at the same writing standard, but they're still stories.

As it stands now (still looking into this mod), instead of deleting the posts the member could be notified and asked to elaborate on their post a bit if it's just nonsense. It doesn't have to sound like a novel, but if it's pretty much "___ walked into the woods." copy and pasted 200 times, then yeah. xDD ​

Everyone's opinion is valid. But every point made in your argument has been discussed in this thread. Including the 'everyone is equal but now their not' mentality, and why it was posted here. Also, earlier in this thread, one of the 'posts count in RP' suggestion threads was linked to. This issue has been complained about, along with being brought to the attention of the entire site. I also hope you and anyone else who posts here, read the thread all of the way through--or at least mostly, as these things have been heavily repeated and are becoming redundant arguments.

The reason this thread is addressed to the role players is exactly (and why the recent forum family poll--which is the same thing--is directed at FORUM FAMILIES) because of what I highlighted in your post. You don't role play. The RP section is not the only section up for discussion (once again, there is another poll/debate going on about forum families). However--we felt that before changing anything it would be wise to ask KHV's actual RP community what they think; considering that the role players on the site will be the ones mostly affected if anything is changed, not all of the role players want a new section/mods, some do and every opinion counts.

Anyone is welcomed to role play, but there are members who consider the role playing section sort of like their 'home'. Just like some people don't venture out of the Spam zone, and some people only pop up to post graphic art or something in the creativity corner. The ones who frequent the RP Arena would be the ones that this poll is targeting. It's a change within their 'home'. It can be seen as biased if you think of it that way; but it isn't as though this poll is secret. There's an announcement here, in the forum news section, a thread in the spam zone, it shows up in What's New?/New Posts, AND the discussion fell into Voxli. Despite that, the change would directly affect actual role players and was decided to be posted here (and the forum families poll in forum families--NOT in the suggestion thread) as a majority decision with staff. (My being the -only- role player within staff, I hardly call that group decision bias, at least.)

Edit; As for the mod 'random nonsense just for post-count' concern, it isn't as though this will replace moderation. |: If someone makes a post that is obviously just tacked onto irrelevantly, it will be deleted like posts are in the RP section anyway. Long posts =/= On topic relevant post, in any section. Oh, and there is already an 'extended' role play section, that we've had absolutely no problems with in terms of members feeling segregated or belittled. I really doubt the majority of our members are going to misunderstand a 'Light' (or semi-lit) role play section if they haven't already for all of the time the RP rules, word requirements and sections have been here.

Btw, do you argue that the Creativity Corner isn't in the 'site description' and posts shouldn't count there? Or the Help With Life section isn't important enough in regards to KHV, so those shouldn't count either? Etc, etc. If someone puts hard work and effort into a post, they deserve to be rewarded for it. Role playing isn't Spam and shouldn't be equated to it, especially for people who take hours for thoughtful, detailed posts and days to complete an actual role play. It's offensive, especially from someone who does put heart into role playing and treats it like a creativity corner/story post. Don't take it from me, scroll up and read what other role players have to say about it on the flip side. The 'light' section would be a compromise for role players who would feel pressured by a word count, or who just want to have fun with it and don't take it so passionately, and also for people who just want a break from it. It's not a belittlement and if any actual role player feels belittled by it, please come talk to me. ​

We're still debating exactly how much it should be if the mod is installed, but when we reach a decision I'll update this. :] ​

Let's all become Vloggers, guys.​

It's okay. I used to think they didn't, too. xD

I love your threads, please don't ever stop.​

Proof of this is the RP Discussion section. The only section in the RP Arena where posts count. And it has...Six rather unsuccessful threads disregarding mine/stickies (RP Idol contest)?

If the logic is "OMG POSTS COUNT *POSTPOSTPOST*" then that's not true. If there's nothing interesting or genuinely likable about it to people as a whole, it will remain inactive whether posts count or not. |: There's been zero spam in the discussion section so far despite posts 'suddenly' counting.
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*Makes it my facebook status*​

That's the same for everywhere posts count on this forum. That doesn't mean there aren't specific people who generally RP on the site above everything else/ generally spam in the spamzone above everything else, etc.

KHV is a community. But there are places that appeal to different members specifically. There are people who consider themselves Role Players and they deserve to have their voice heard for once instead of it being muffled and overpowered by people who don't even use the section. That's like the role players controlling what happens in some other section coders or spamzone just because they're the majority. Role players are not the majority when it comes to what happens on the forum in general, so this is a thread where they'll be heard, considering they are a minority on this site and very easily pushed to the back--of everything. I'd rather not change that.

This thread (as in the suggestion of posts counting) has been brought to the attention of the entire forum in the past. The actual role players were very easily disregarded as soon as everyone else stormed in with the same nonsense about how RPers spam and put no effort into their posts and all of that. If you are NOT passionate about role playing it is very, very hard to relate to someone who is and actually respect that enough to side with them. The main argument in the thread I linked to is content and getting posts for crap, which is being remedied by these suggestions.

And that was in 2007. |:​

It is posted here because it is for the role players to decide on. It only affects the role players, (or rather directly affects), and it's for the role players. It is not a suggestion thread. It is to gauge how people who actually role play and frequent the role playing section feel before anything is changed. The same thing is happening for Forum Families for members input who actually use/visit that section feel before a decision is made. As that thread is posted in the Forum Families section, this one is posted in the RP Arena.​

I think this varies from person to person. Codes don't make any sense to me (at all, ever), but RPing is like second nature. So I understand your personal preference. Role playing can be very simple and can give members 'easy' posts, which is why it's been rejected time and time again. However, the solution here is to equate role playing to creative writing.

Creative writing posts count on KHV. Okay, that's great, but not everyone is going to write something worthy of being equated to creative writing. Not everyone is going to put hours into a role play post. So, another solution is to separate those who are just posting to spam/for posts and those who are putting effort and time into their posts, who deserve it.

Not only is there moderation for spammers--in general, but there is also a report feature, and more than one role player. So if someone suspects another is posting random nonsense for post count, that's when staff steps in and deals with them--personally. But role players (and our members for the most part) are competent enough to know where the line will be drawn and to act accordingly after being spoken to/warned.

Everyone is welcomed to role play. Just like everyone is welcomed to do everything else on the forum. If someone needs help getting better or posting more, we have tutorials and workshops for that. Also, if it's not fair for people who don't venture into the role play arena (though they're perfectly open to), then it's also not fair for people who don't venture out of it to receive nothing at all, despite being an active member supposedly -equal- to all of the others, without even an opportunity to rewards for it.

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So excited.

For anyone who doesn't get it, basically what this mod would do is automatically make posts count with a set 'character' limit. Meaning if you posted below the limit, you wouldn't get the post count, but if you went above and beyond, you would.

The question is still, basically should posts count at all, or not so it doesn't change the purpose of this thread. But you can give your opinion on this mod, too if you'd like.​

I will address this more for anyone else with these specific concerns.

The Extended Section could be seen as the same thing, but we've had no problems with it. (noobs vs. elites or something lolol) Honestly, inexperienced role players could post a role play in the post counting section and so long as there's effort and it's following the rules, it doesn't matter who is actually posting in that section; as as Heart said, it's a means of encouraging deeper content in posts, not belittling anyone.

Also as stated earlier, most active role players on KHV have no problem with content-filled posts as it comes naturally. So for anyone afraid of feeling belittled, that's; 1) Against the rules in THIS section and on KHV in general, and 2) As long as you're following the rules, you can post anywhere you want.

Edit; Oh. And I would only move your role plays into that section if there were active. xDD ​