Ah, yes. But the article states; Object sexuality is not referring to sexual arousal. And the specific 'deviations' listed are; Annnnd, a deviation is defined as; So even if it was a sexual deviation, all that really means is that it's an orientation that's different from the 'norm' or the standard that's generally accepted by society. It doesn't mean that there's something wrong with the person deviating, it just means it's not the definition of normal. Replying specifically to this; I don't know. Why does a woman stay with a man that beats her? That's not healthy at all, but that doesn't mean there's something tremendously wrong with her--mentally speaking. In regards to object sexuality, though, no one is hurt from it. The object isn't beating the human and the human isn't harming someone else with the object. I don't believe we can really judge if it's healthy or not. If the human in love with the object is happy, not harming anyone and feels loved by said object, then good for them. We might not understand it, or be in that situation ourselves, but maybe to this human they do feel loved by this object. They are happy just being there. It's nothing we really have the right to judge, imo. It's different than something like pedophilia because that is harming the recipient. When it's an inanimate object, the human in question isn't...hurting anybody. They don't get a thrill from taking advantage of someone younger, or having intercourse while strangling someone, or anything like that that would really signify a mental problem. It's just a different kind of love. There's nothing 'sick' or disorderly about it other than the fact that it's not the 'norm'. Edit: I acknowledge you don't think OS-people cause any harm, and you don't believe it's healthy because the human partaking does not receive love, iyo and such. Any comments of mine are not made with cruel intent, or any disrespect.
I love old threads.
It is a touchy subject when you're in a long-distance relationship and people say they don't work, etc. Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between them working physically or not. It's not as though (for me) if you're in a physical relationships, the odds are tremendously better than if you're long-distance. Relationships in general take a lot of work, whether you're right next to each other, or you're miles apart. Relationships fail all of the time. It depends on who you are and who you're with. If you're in love with someone who is physically there with you, but suddenly your love for them would change or vanish if they moved away or something, then I don't think it would have worked anyway in the long run. I don't think love should be conditional. [I put emphasis on love because it's a different story if your feelings remain the same, but you just can't do it and get all heartbroken over them being far away.] But yes, repeating, I believe they can work. I can be patient. Fuzzy and I have gotten to the point where we can visit each other from time and time, and we hope to be together physically (permanently) one day soon. That's a goal we're both working towards, so we're both content and happy with how things are now. I believe a physical aspect is important, but it's definitely not everything. As long as I can connect with him, I'm cool. Personally, I think any relationship has a -slim- chance of working out in terms of marriage, kids, together-forever/no divorce, etc. Whether it started online, or not.
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Make...friends? I'm sure you have some, but I mean. More/closer ones. VM people. Be approachable. Form bonds. Visit Voxli if you can. Get MSN if you can. Maintain contact. Get involved in some community stuff like SoTW, RP Idol, KHV Chorus, PotS and PanS. Or make something for yourself. Start/join another forum family. That's where I met you and you were active back then. Post in other sections. Even the ones you're not entirely comfortable with. Try some new things. Find your place, bro. /KHV self-discovery.
Yup! Got it, thank you.~
^ That's what was posted earlier. ...No matter. You could read more on the subject and find those answers out if you actually took the time to research the argument you're opposing. When homosexuality research first surfaced, the people who didn't understand it opposed the research and said that no one is 'born' gay and that people just 'decide' to be and something is wrong with them. There are still people like that. That doesn't make it true, the evidence is there. There is also evidence on this subject. Just because you don't understand it, or you don't get it doesn't mean the research isn't there or that these people automatically have something wrong with them because you personally aren't grasping the concept. And I hardly think you can tell us that 'they haven't tested anything with the brain for ____ reasons.'. Once again, I really don't think you have any idea at all. You're not a scientist researching object sexuality, how would you know...? Can you source this reasoning? With this mentality, no mental illness would have ever been tested, ever. If scientists really cared about hurting someones feelings/offending them. Really. If you're looking for research on the other side, (again), Britishism and Fuzzy have posted evidence. Do you have evidence that contradicts the sources/opinions you're arguing against?
Earlier in the thread, evidence of research was posted. There has been research done on the subject, that's why there's even a term for it and why people who have this sexuality aren't just put in mental institutions somewhere. It's a sexuality, not a mental illness, as discussed and proven earlier by another poster, I beileve. Fuzzy Blue Lights or Britishism posted it.
Can you just send me directly to the Zerchan page? Direct linking doesn't work with Zerochan. :c
Have a good day, soul bro! <3
Have you carved it? c: Today was awesome. Fuzzy sent me a package with a bunch of skittles (my favorite candy~) and some other sweet things. It...
Welcome, welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay here, and make lots of friends and all of that happy stuff. If you need any help with anything, feel free to contact a mod, super mod, admin or any other staff/member. Feel free to shoot me a message just to talk, if you want. *w* This is probably a derp on my part, but I still don't know who that member was. xD Anyways, share a bit about yourself! What do you like to do? Favorite book? Movie? Anime? TV Show? Manga? Video game? Color? On forums, do you role play? Debate? Spam? ...Or actually discuss the point of the forum? ...Have you been to a forum before? Okay. I'm done. Be sure to read the rules, and I hope you have lots of fun here. c':
I believe it's possible to hide your own emotions from yourself. I'm thinking more about your subconscious and stuff. Sometimes I believe we do it to protect ourselves, other times it's reflex. I don't know...Um...For a really awful and brutal example, let's say when you're young you witness something really traumatic like a murder, or something, and go into some sort of shock. In order to help you move on with your life and function, the memory might be locked away in your subconsious somewhere and while you're growing up, you can't remember anything from (insert age here) and back, because your mind is hiding your own memories from you. Doesn't mean they're not there, just means it's blocked out. Scientifically speaking, that's entirely possible so I don't see why doing the same with your emotions wouldn't be. The mind is an amazing thing.~ That's why people have to go on self-discovery journeys and stuff sometimes, I suppose. To rediscover things about yourself, and find what's the truth. I believe that everyone masks their emotions at one point or another, and you can entirely convince yourself that the 'mask' is reality. You lose yourself. Then one day, hopefully, something happens to crack that mask and you realize you cared all along, or that ____ isn't reality, ___ is. ...It's hard to explain for me, lol.
It's still debatable whether or not life in prison is more or less expensive than the death penalty, so unless someone knows a definite answer to that (there is none), I'd rather money in that regard -not- be a factor. This specific debate on KHV itself has come up a lot. I disagree with it. A life is a life, whether the person is a psychotic killer or not. I don't believe we should hold the power over whether or not someone dies. If karma gets them and they die of some illness in jail, then 'hooray for irony', I guess. But I don't believe anyone, whether it's the government or not should hold jurisdiction over someone else's actual living-breathing existence, ever. This may come across as a spiritual thing, but just because someone murdered someone else or did -whatever- doesn't give us the moral right to say that they deserve to die. We're not a god. We're not angels ourselves, so what gives us the right to take someone's life away? Granted, they didn't have the right to do whatever crime they did, and they should not go without punishment, but I still don't think it's right to kill someone like that just because 'they did it'. That doesn't exactly make us any better. Seems like a childish philosphy, IMO. It's like punching your child in the face as punishment for him punching another child in the face. I guess I just don't think that should be up to us. Those reasons along with innocence on death row. There have been cases in which someone was sentenced to death who was actually innocent to begin with and...Well, no. Not okay, imo. ^ In those cases/examples, they were released after being found innocent, but thinking about even having to go through that...or thinking about the people who were innocent, killed and honestly did nothing. Source. | Source #2. Then we have the cases where people do something terrible, are on death row, genuinely seek help/try to find themselves during their time, feel actual human emotion and deep regret/self-loathing as they struggle to come to terms with their crime, and are killed--despite the fact that they did a lot of growing and would have died naturally without making a fuss anyway. Along with all of that, there hasn't been very many death sentences to begin with, if you think about it in comparison to other sentences. If it was banned completely, I really doubt everything would be thrown out of wack and all hell would break loose. It's not as though without it America would just blow up. Note; I don't mind elaborating on any of my opinions but this is in the discussion section, not the debate section and when it comes to a subject like this, unless it's for mature debate/discussion, I'd rather not be retaliated to. tl;dr Keep it cool and be respectful, and I'll answer.
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I never said anything about you saying it was wrong, I don't think. x: It was a video, not a book. They linked you to a youtube video earlier, but I've taken several classes involving emotional disorders as well as independent study. I was going into psychology at one point, so yeah. I have. But I think it's a good idea to leave the thread if you're truly insulted by the debate itself. No one is personally out to insult you, as I'm sure you're not trying to personally insult anyone else. It's friendly discussion/debate, despite differing opinions. Edit: Sorry, for further clarification that's why I said; "This applies to everyone," earlier. I don't think it's fair to debate on one side and refuse researching the other in general.
I'm sorry, are you equating a human being (dead or alive) with an inanimate object? (I'm not really referring to the debate you're having with Noroz specifically.) Do you honestly think that a human is equal to an object? Do you objectify humans? These are honest questions. I'm genuinely wondering is that is your mindset in general. Also...As mentioned before, (directed more at May Kitsune) there is scientific research that has been done about Object Sexuality. Purposely not educating yourself on the subject and deeming the concept of doing so as 'insulting' is bordering deliberate ignorance on your part. In other words, it's just being stubborn. There are two sides of the argument. Educate yourself on both if you're going to try to come up with a valid argument, otherwise it's not fair to anyone and the debate is pointless. This applies to everyone.
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