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Hang on, I've got something to say... A lot of the best action games run at 30 FPS. No, really. Killer is Dead, No More Heroes, Enslaved, etc. I think even Mad World and Dead Rising run at 30fps, but before we start counting frames, I need to point out why that line of thinking is why you're about to pick two boring and bland games over Drakengard 3.

60 fps isn't a magic bullet for quality

Ocarina of Time ran at 15 FPS, and Panzer Dragoon ran at 18. The original Sin and Punishment certainly was nowhere near 30fps, and it played smooth and fast. A game can be designed around a poor framerate, which Drakengard 3 IS. In fact, the only reasons it has so many negative reviews is because of this 60 fps hype train. I can assure you, a lot of games you love and adore ran at terrible frame rates. I can assure you the 7th gen is filled with games that never hit over 30fps. Yet, it's a buzzword now. Why? Because console players feel the need to defend themselves against PC players who can put everything to 60 fps and Sony used it as a marketing buzzword when they promised every game to run at 60 fps (something that clearly doesn't really matter for them as they've already gone back on it).

I know you prefaced by saying action at 30fps, even cited a good example with Bayonetta on PS3. The thing is, Bayo proves my point as well- Bayo was designed around 60 fps and to take advantage of the Xbox 360's fill rate especially. It was built around the Xbox and then SEGA goofed porting it by removing a lot of textures and and locking the fps at 30 so it would run smoothly. And it sucked. But not because it was at 30 fps, but rather because it was designed around 60fps. I know we want to make it easy to figure out if a game's crap or not, and objective tech facts are easy to find out in order to put off the purchase of a game upon release, but that's just not how it's ever worked... If we could look in the code to find out if a game's fun or not, it'd be like if we could read the intstructions of a board game to figure out if it'll be good for a game night. But it's all the elements of the game's design and what it's rules allow that make it fun.

Shadow of the Colossus ran at Crap fps and ya'll love it so much :P

To talk of DG3's need of 60 fps is bollocks- the enemies aren't smart nor aggressive nor are the moves used by the player very intricate. It runs perfectly fine at 30 fps and there really wouldn't be an improvement by running at 60fps. After all, we're talking of a musou hack n slash, not a character action game. I'm pretty sure even the original DGs and Nier ran at 30 fps.

IT'S EVEN IN HIS SIGNATURE FOR GOD'S SAKE!

I expect a silver username.

Me too. I should've suspected as much... All those times we were having different conversations!

Spoiler: Me too

That game REALLY wasn't bad once you figure out how to play it.

Aw c'mon, the radio talk was funny. How else is a car supposed to communicate- the horn? rev the engine? He found a way that didn't require him to be in bot form.

Persona 3 FES: The Aggression.

You can't be sparing in Persona, or any SMT game- that's why people always have a tough time with them. They're not meant to be played like FF. You have to play every turn like you're trying to cripple a boss at the start of a fight.

IT'S NOT. GIVING UP THE FORCE THAT GIVES YOU LIFE IS NOT DIFFERENT THAN DYING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Wanted to be sure that we didn't just mean "good or bad" characters as character development has turned into a real synonym of that and I hate it. Optimus was stagnant, unmovable force of justice in the first three movies then suddenly went dark in the fourth movie. So yes, development. As for anyone else? Bee went from playful and immature and wanting to be a college bot to a mighty warrior. I'd say he had some development. In fact, I'd say most of the bots in the last movie had character development as they went from unable to work together and in-fighting to working as a team and riding t-rex's together.

I'm not saying it's deep character development, but it's there.

Lack of regular bra wearing can make saggy boobs come at an earlier time in a woman's life.

Source: I talked to a woman once.

I mean, it went half way across the country. It wasn't just my location that dun' goofed.

Yes, of course it's not enough to make you spend $500. If one game does that, you're insane.

However, the point of being excited for a PC release is that now it has a bigger sample size and you don't need to buy a new console to play it if you have a good PC.

inb Nova comes in here talking about Grooveshark

I'm Retort.

Portable? Wii U? Huh?

I tried that and burnt myself out way too quickly.

USPS shouldn't have jobs.

We're talking people who had to get a PS3 to me from Texas, right? It even had a tracking number. After three weeks of waiting for it, I had to call so many people to eventually get a "we don't fuckin' know where it is!" I'm pretty sure that PS3 ended up in fuggin' Aussie.

Correct.

Stop doing things while I'm doing things.

It should be your life goal to find out when I'm bored and provide entertainment then.

Good choices!

Even though it has a bug that basically ruins the last level (thanks XSEED), I still highly recommend Pandora's Tower.