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"I feel like spending too much time waiting on The Fuk? will be a bad thing, considering he said he would not be back until Thursday and no concrete time as to when. If everyone feels highly suspicious of TF?, then we should push forward with it because we have just over 24 hours left. If not, then we need a new person to go with. I honestly don't have much suspicion of anyone right now, but I do feel uneasy about Luxord."

"You've talked a little bit, but over all, not a lot. I would like to hear more from you @Cat~ as to whom you find the most suspicious and why we shouldn't suspect you at all, considering you mostly sheep and don't usually have a lot to say. [[ you don't need to post a 5 - paragraph essay ]] to have a sizable amount of helpfulness."

"@What? I would like to know what suspicions you have of me. I asked before the end of the last day, but you didn't post after that."


That's why. Hyuge's behaviour is similar to that of the people we have considered proactively town. It is fairly unanimous at this point that Makaze WAS Town the entire time and his lines of operation can be seen here, although in a far less aggressive manner. Hyuge has been more cautious than Mak and has constantly appealed to the Town to discuss, whereas many have simply not advocated discussion and merely got on with the lynching. That in that of itself is not a bad thing for those townies, but I find it hard to believe that a Mafia member WOULD suggest that the Town talks more, because that wouldn't make sense. That adds the chance of someone slipping up, or someone making a connection that otherwise they may not have made. I also find that the way she has defended herself is fairly calm and reasonable, as opposed to turtling up and getting very defensive.

In my eyes, Hyuge looks town because she is advocating pro town action (like discussion) and thinking about lynching in a fairly sensible manner, holding suspicions and only following when time pressed or sure.

Happy with the explanation and above quotes?

Oh, and... Makaze stop trying to not post to fulfill some challenge and do some more work. The chances are the Mafia will kill you tonight so you may as well go out as you lived.

Actually there's a thought. What if the Mafia DON'T kill Makaze, and Mish is mafia?

Sorry about the misunderstanding. That was bad phrasing from me. I was trying to say that "I'm not convinced by Hyuge being Mafia." by way of confirming your townness. Apologies for the misunderstanding about that.

Also, side note: Where the heck is @What? when you need him??

This is a really lost post so beware.

I'm going to follow the line of thought that Hayabusa, Cat~ and Princess are at least suspct.

Okay, following up on what I've found when looking at Cat. The only 2 major contributions I've found are a vote for Bite the Dust which swiftly turned into a vote for Default a couple of pages late, after the Default wagon was formed. He was interestingly, 6th in the list of voters after Jiku Neon who tipped the vote into Soft Lynch territory. I'm not sure it was Mak, or if my brain is decieving me into thinking it was, but if the Mafia are likely to be pushing Mafia benefitting wagons along rather than pushing them, does somewhat fit in because they're finalising it.

Now, what I find interesting is that it actually went up to 8, one shy of Hard Lynch territory and then Princess dropped the hammer. So, it might be a little bit of a shot in the dark, but it could be that Princess was trying to reduce Town discussion time by doing the Hard Lynch when it was already a Soft Lynch. Honestly, I'm not sure why Town made it a Hard Lynch. There MUST be townies who took it to 9, otherwise that makes Cat+, Hyuge, BtD AND Princess Mafia. That seems somewhat unlikely to me, I don't know about you guys.

Other than that, Cat~'s content seems pretty sparse to me. But, as has been suggested, Mafia may live in the quiet places of the thread, occasionally making their moves driving town forward. So, I think they may be worth considering.

Hayabusa is a really odd case because he doesn't DO much, he's just kind of there. When pressed for opinions he was pretty passive, citing people like Mak's examples (which is, in that of itself, not bad he's a pretty vocal guy).
"The Fuk seems just a little suspicious, having noticed when people went inactive and questioning such members."
"default also seems a bit defensive. Could be something pescetarian-y with that...could be my own paranoia. /shrug"
Those are the only two opinions that I've really seen out of him. I might have missed some in my trawling through posts. He also seemed surprised at TaleWind's death, but I can't say that means an awful lot.

The thing with Hayabusa's posts is, that without the Mafia Goggles on it seems like he's just agreeing with 'informed' opinions and playing the general, 'follow the leader' townie with no real predicitions of any kind. With the proverbial Mafia Goggles on, this all comes off as a lot more sinister as it looks like he's showing interesting in furthering Mafia goals of lynching town while pretending to be the ignorant town. But, like I said, that's with the Mafia Goggles on. The issue with looking through the Mafia Goggles is that pretty much everyone is suspicious when you've got those. Nobody is beyond suspicion, although some are more plausible than others. A lot of people did this to Makaze, and to be honest I'm going to put my faith in but I'll have an eye on him. It's quite the gambit he just made, and I'm wondering if he wants to put on this act in order to appear totally town, by bravely putting his life on the line. It could draw the real Watcher out, or put them into a position where nobody would believe them because the Watcher just declared themselves. If the 'real' Watcher were baited out then the Mafia could easily kill them. However, I don't subscibe to the theory. I want to believe Mak is town and my gut says he is, but in Mafia I think it's healthy to have a hint of suspicion, and an idea of what game they might be playing if they are Mafia.

When I used the search function in the thread, for me it didn't return anywhere near half the amount of content I thought it would for Princess ♥, so I'm a little stuck on that one. From what I remember of Luxord, they're on the verge of suspicion but not quite there. Their behaviour is interesting, and I can't quite describe it (Once again, doesn't help I'm not very good at finding their posts which would help), so I'll leave one of you for that. But perhaps take into account Princess caused an unncessary Hard Lynch. That could be a zealous townie, or a Mafia reducing discussion time. What were they trying to achieve with that, one must ask? For Town it seems logical (to me at least) to wait just in case any last information or points leak out.

That's what I can find on the people Mish is unsure on. It's usless looking at myself and by now people should have figured out what I think of Maru. Putting everything together I'm not convinced by Hyuge. I've voiced some concerns about cstar earlier that Mak doesn't seem to think much of, but I'm taking a look anyway.

And cstar is basically a dead end. They're too quiet for my liking, but that's all that I can really throw at them. I can't say they're super suspect, because really, they're not. Like some people they're just... There. I don't like that at this juncture. I'd like to see people get actively involved because at this point, we can't afford to NOT have people contributing.

My final point to make is that my first post was a first impression. It was literally that. My immediate thoughts put down in the thread. I wanted to do that because I didn't want to have to wait to get another post out and I wanted to kick off the conversation for everyone else. Well, it turns out I didn't need to because Mak did a pretty good job of that himself, but either way, there you go. That was basically semi-structured stream of conciousness.

This is a short first impression post so don't expect any huge theories.

This is only surprising because the mafia appear to finally be killing useful people. The others may have had some purpose, but frankly I'm not sure WHAT that purpose might have been. I don't have time now, can someone check who Midnight voted for and anyone they put forward as suspect (coughcoughthanksmakazecoughcough XD)? This was a good kill for the mafia as far as I can tell, because Midnight was an excellent member of the town who I honestly had no doubts about. She was active and brought forth good points at times. Other than that, initially I can't see why else they killed Midnight.

Also, something just occurred to me. They're running out of wishy washy people to kill, so they've started killing the more useful town now I guess. The game just got a whole lot more interesting, and it's started to get me thinking. Does that mean that some of those people who ARE a bit more... Inactive or wishy washy Mafia? It's getting me thinking. Currently I'm looking at Hayabusa and Cstar. Also, I know Mak described Maru as wishy washy but I'm not thinking her, just in case anyone wants to be pedantic and look at identical terminology.

Mak, Maru, what do you two reckon? For better or for worse, I kinda look up to you two for a lot (and Midnight to some extent, may she rest in peace). And what do you think of my idea above, particularly Cstar and Hayabusa bearing in mind what I just said?

I'll play if you're still looking

@Marushi Princess is one of those who I'd consider borderline suspects. I'm not quite suspicious enough of them to vote, but then again I'm not exactly thinking they're innocent. Honestly, TheFuk? is becoming my main suspicion here but failing him, I feel like Princess would be at least a reasonable bet. My issue is that I only kinda start to notice things more when asked specific things. If left to just stare at the 'cast list' as it were, then I'll come to nothing and go "Hey look at Makaze derp". Either way, I think that it's best to continue with TheFuk and should he suddenly, magically go inno on us then we turn our guns on Princess. Anyone else you want to ask about?

The problem for me is I am genuinely quite stumped on suspicions. I'm sure I must be missing the obvious here or something, but I have no strong suspicions on anyone that's the issue. The only even mildly suspect one for me personally is Mak, but even then I don't suspect him that much and I'm more inclined to trust him because if anything, he's useful. We might be able to make use of his actions and quotes later on in the Game to track down other Maf if he's Maf, and he can rat out a few of them if he's town. So, I'm willing to put my faith in Makaze for now.

TheFuk is just on the edge of being suspicious enough for me to vote, but I want to see what he says next just to confirm. I don't like the single minded interest in lynching Makaze, and his lack of contributions of other people does concern me, although that said that's kinda hypocritical because I'm hardly coming up with any.

Overall, I'm stuck.

Alright Mak, I was unsure of the case on TheFuk? but at this point, I'm willing to follow you. I'll wait until he posts to see what he says and depending on what it is, I may vote with you. He's seemed a little suspect for a while and he presumerably had plenty of time to post before Friday when he had to leave, and as far as I recall he didn't after he failed to get you lynched.

I felt this was kinda relevant

So ya everyone, best of luck if you're going back to school tomorrow or whenever like I am, just remember that at the end of the day no matter how bad school is you can always come back to your friends at KH-Vids and get cheered back up.

I'll be honest, I'm low on ideas about why Tale was killed, because as far as I'm aware they didn't contribute that much. Are they trying to thin out the ranks of the town by taking out seemingly random people? Was Tale a useful Mafia kill? I'm really not sure to be honest. I'm guessing this is just an attempt to thin the herd, so to speak, but I'd assume they'd at least take out one of the more active people. The only other reason I could think of for them taking out Tale is that they somehow had a lead, but I doubt they'd do that. That would be too obvious surely?

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This is like the most nerve racking thing ever.

Good luck!~

William had been in a daze for quite a long time. After the people running this place came in, he had really nothing to say. It wasn't comforting knowing that even the people working here had issues with each other. He had his own thoughts. He paused, and then looked around again. He took a sip of his drink. He also watched as Callum apologized. He wasn't that shocked, but still surprised to stay the least. The drunk one knocked out the new person who had come into the room. "Splendid." He said simply, not knowing what else to say really. He wasn't able to comprehend the stupidity.

Hmm, @Cat~ and @TheFuk you guys haven't posted in a little while. What do you guys make of the current lynch targets?

TheFuk is probably the more relevant one to this question because his activity dropped right off after we stopped trying to lynch Mak (Not sure that there's anything suspect about that, just something I noticed).

@Twilight Blader
Fair enough. You've all seen my views and opinions so feel free to make your mind up from that. There's not much I can really say to defend that honestly.

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Vocal: Makaze because he's the vocal person that I have the most suspicions of.
Mid Range: default because of the arguments presented by Marushi and Makaze

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Low: hayabusa his erratic posting which generally has little to no substance doesn't sit right with me, and the fact that his activity has spiked only because of him being prompted.

Vote: default