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I should just say at the time I thought the controls weren't amazing or anything, but still thought they were fun to play through. It was only on recent attempts to replay stuff where I wondered how the hell I even put up with that they decided to throw at me. I still have fond memories of the games, but I feel like I would more readily give them praise if I decided to not try and replay them after years have gone by and just remain blissfully unaware of how they've aged lol. I guess we just have differing ideas of what being a badass is. Joel was always in control and knew how to handle a situation and was always ready to just **** someone up. And quite often did just that. He was really the type of tough, no non-sense guy that really gives off that "I play by my own rules, so **** you" vibe to me. I have mixed feelings on Dishonored tbh. I want to like it but I have a really tough time actually liking it. I've been meaning to replace it honestly hoping it'll click this time. As for the Cyberpunk thing, yeah I absolutely adore Deus Ex and am really looking forward to Mankind Divided and Cyberpunk 2077 (I mean...only a CG trailer atm but with the Witcher devs behind it, it's hard not for me to be excited). I actually have a hard time considering Metal Gear Rising to be cyberpunk tbh. I can see the argument for it, but stylistically it's missing a bunch of what I consider 'core' components. Still a good game though. See that I understand, but at this point we are diverging away from the, I suppose "feel" of the game in regards to setting, design, etc. and going more into gameplay which, while I have not played the full game yet (hopefully soon!) I will agree that it is mechanically far more interesting. But I also prefer 3rd person action than 3rd person shooting hah.
Ah, that makes more sense. It also makes sense I'm not entirely agreeing with you on this point because I think the controls in SIlent Hill being awful is just ****** game design and makes me not want to play them ever again lol. Unlike you, I don't think there is any redeeming qualities about having to fight the controls to get what you want done done. I feel largely the same way about the earlier Resident Evil games. But the comparison to TLoU sort of falls apart there because, despite some of my complaints about the gunplay, I don't really agree with your sentiment about it being "awkward." Joel still felt like a damn badass throughout that entire game and and the combat was really tight and controlled very well. That seems a weird thing to do though, particularly since this is a setting and aesthetic is something that really isn't done at all in video games (If you have some suggestions btw, I'd love to hear them because I really love this style of game and would like to play more. Same with cyberpunk tbh but those are atleast seem to be in vogue lately). But if you take out stuff from a game that makes it unique, then yeah it'll seem like any other game. Like if you took out the Lovecraft-inspired enemies/setting and trick weapons from Bloodborne, the game starts to have a blander aesthetic and not differentiating itself from an established series.
I can understand you want that type of game play, but I personally would like if games didn't try to mimic what Naughty Dog did with The Last of Us in regards to gun mechanics. It's less about it being skilled soldiers or something and more of just being, for the lack of a better word, competent. That isn't a knock of The Last of Us or me calling the gunplay in that game bad, but it's not something I would want in more games. (Also you using awkward when describing gameplay in a positive light reads really weird to me lol) I really wasn't talking about the cinematography in the game with that comment, but was again just trying to show off just stuff within the game that makes the game have such a unique identity with the alternate historical technology and vehicles. I can understand that you don't care for it (tastes and all lol), but I still just find it weird for anyone to consider it bland and uninspired lol.
I'd actually argue the gunplay aspect of The Order is better than the Last of Us tbh. Overall there is more variety and some interesting stuff doing in The Last of Us, which makes me prefer it. But the guns in The Order are really stellar, even the non-unique weapons like the pistol or shotgun just feel really good to use. The second image was more of trying to get a good image of the skyline with the steampunk-ish war blimps that patrol the area lol.
I'm not entirely sure you need innovation though. The Last of Us does absolutely nothing innovating with it's gameplay but it's still satisfying to play. I think this is rather an unfair comparison because the two games are going for very different styles. Bloodborne is going after a Lovecratian horror vibe while having very little steampunk present where as The Order kinda goes all out with the steampunk aesthetic. Like, I think stuff like this: Spoiler Is stuff that Bloodborne isn't going for at all. I also have to say that I just love the character designs in the game. I don't know really how else to phrase it, but all of them just look badass. There's a lot of things that I think you can fault the game, but it is just oozing with it's own style and atmosphere.
