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If the movie is exactly the same, down to time, down to look, basically if you replaced all of the men in the original movie with women and the other way around, that's different.

But this is almost like a remake and it's not going to be the exact same, and it may try to have the same feel but the problem is is that technology has advanced, it's a different set of crew etc.

People are looking at this like its the exact same as the original movie but with women, but that isn't the case, because it can't be. It's always going to be a little different. And most remakes are bad. I don't think it has much to do with the gender of the characters, it's that regardless, even if this movie had male characters it would still be just as ****** you know what I mean?

At the end of the day this is kind of all like a fanfic. There are really good genderbent fanfic's, but if the fanfic is bad does that mean you don't like the genderbent of the character in a general sense? No! That would be like saying that someone writes bad fanfic and so you can't watch the show or read the book anymore. It needs to be of quality for you to like it regardless. If the characters are written poorly and the writing is bad even if it's your favorite pairing for genderbent or whatever you're still not going to be able to get through it. And as much as fans of the original want to get through it maybe they just can't.

I'm pretty confident that Judge is who he claims, but for future reference I wouldn't believe that right away. Even earlier as I was watching posts go by I was a little bit suspicious. It would be an extremely risky Mafia move. However there are 8 of us left, 3 Mafia, so 5 Town. A town lynched tonight, and one killed tomorrow could make it easy for the Mafia to win, and so Judge lying about being Cop wouldn't be that much risk after all.

I'm somewhat suspicious but no one has come forward yet, and so until then I'm satisfied.

Now since we know a lot already, let's try and do a quick process of elimantion.

Judge is town
Cat is town
Mixt is Mafia

That's three out of 7. Obviously I'm not including myself in my list.

Now I want to give reads on everyone quickly so we can talk about them and not waste the day just because we know things.

Midnight we've already talked about and I think we should put her next.

Cstar/Ghost is sort of using my strategy from the first time I was Mafia of laying low but still posting and trying not to be suspicious. I think we should grill Cstar her next though. I think Ghost is kind of just testing the waters in a way.

So Midnight, Cstar and Mixt.

Granted this also depends on who dies tonight. This whole entire thing could change otherwise. But I think those are the people to look at right now.

Marushi is always pro-town and optimistic regardless of her role which makes it extemely difficult to pinpoint her, but I'm leaning to believe she's a town member.

I've been waiting for this! Lol. I'm down

I agree that Midnight seems indecisive, but it could be similar to be where I've been looking at every sides so it seems contradictory.

I believe Midnight is Mafia IF Cat is not. I say this because I already have my top Mafia reads, and Midnight just isn't high priority yet. If we lynch a town member today that is on my pervious list and they are town then she simply moves up.

This is a really strong point. And for that and everything else about Cat already said, I also want to put on the heat a little.

##Vote: Cat

I'm glad I'm alive another day, because I want to talk about the little switch-a-roo that happened yesterday. I was sure that Cat was going to be voted, so I happily went to sleep but then I woke up and something very different happened.

I think it's a bit odd that Mixt was the one who basically changed the towns entire plans for the night. Not that people were super suspicious of Cat, but definitely more so then Tale.

Obviously we were a bit split, but even still. I still think Cat may be Mafia and Mixt basically saved her ass, so they are both at the top of my list.

Midnight also never voted, but to be fair I guess my vote ended up being stupid for now so I can't comment on that too much. It's not that Mixt voted for Tale or was saving Cat that makes me worried, but it's the fact that they, I mean at least Mixt pulled that switch on us. Granted we did have some extra time so anyrhing can happen, and Mixt could also just be a town going through with what he believes in. But I still think it's a little suspect.

Hi. If you leave posts for me at night you guys time I'll see them and be able to reply in the morning, then when I go to bed it's late afternoon around there so I'll check for some replies. I mean right now it isn't exactly prime time posting time or anything so I don't think we'll be slow going xD

See I figured the Mafia would kill another town and lynch me today. However, I continued to say that throughout the day yesterday, and they still kept me xD so I guess they weren't afraid of people changing their minds? Or they may have another plan.

Regardless I think looking at Mixt today is a good idea. A couple other people were suspicious of them and up until now they've been flying under the radar low enough not to be lynched because we've had other targets but has now slowly asunder upward.

Now to go back to Marushi, I think she either had no choice but to lynch Tale in her eyes or she still may be Mafia, but I'm less worried about her and more about Mixt. But right now I'm thinking

1. Mixt
2. Cat
3. Marushi
4. Midnight
5. I think we should talk about Cstar
6. Mish

Cstar and Mish also have the "under the radar" Sort of vibe going on. The easiest answer is that they're just town and that's why lol, but I think we should look at them anyway. However they aren't high priority.

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We're starting to get ready! Just got my hair done, now we're going to do my nails. After that I basically can't move forever, until I get into my dress anyway

Eh, is that really a surprise. ;)

Hi I'm home. Well not at my house at Al's house lol. I watched all of Deadman's Wonderland but there are only 12 episodes and the ending didn't END. Which sort made me mad so I was a bit too ticked to watch anything else. I wrote for an hour and I played bejeweled and stuff. I was super happy to land and luckily no one clapped on the airplane when it did.

I also thought it saw a celebrity on our plane lol. Rita and I were near the window of the airport waiting area thing and this women had sunglasses on but she was facing AWAY from the window and it wasn't like, super sunny. And she had a striking resemblance to Willa Fitzgerald who plays the protagonist in the Scream TV show. I mean if she didn't want anyone to recognize her sunglasses made sense I guess lol. To see if it was though I started trying to get my aunt to watch the show, she looked like she was going to say something but she didn't. She did take off her glasses after that though and the resmblance was UNCANNY if anything. I didn't want to invade anyone's privacy though so I didn't ask/talk to them.

Anyway the Prom is tonight so I'm going to go post some pictuuuuures later, I'm really excited.

No. I mean you and Midnight lol. But I'm saying Mish can't pick one and not the other basically, does that help? Like if we're going off of people's tone/mistakes/etc and there's enough of a case on both people we either need to say "Yes we should lynch for this" or "No we should not" because it can't be one and not the other. I hope that makes sense. I would be like you running a light and getting in trouble, meanwhile midnight runs the same light and people don't fault her.

Blaine had a different watch of approaching things but since we're talking about being rash here it may be good to mention the contrast between Mishs choices on Cat and Misnight seperately for estienatlly a similar reason[DOUBLEPOST=1467768603][/DOUBLEPOST]Not watch I mean way. Sorry haha[DOUBLEPOST=1467768669][/DOUBLEPOST]

Honestly Cat it may
Be too late
For you but
I think it's only fair that of we lynch you tonight we should also at least examine Midnight tomorrow. Then again I could tie the vote by voting for Tail, but I still think you're
Mafia lol​

I can't quote Cats post but the Mish thing is true. The only thing we have to go off of is Blaines tone so for Mish to say I'm being too rash with Midnight but we say that because of simply how Blaine acted she must be Mafia, I mean make it fair. I think tone does matter so obviously I'm for lynching BOTH of them. If we're going to be setting a precedent it has to be that way for everyone we look at lol[DOUBLEPOST=1467768313][/DOUBLEPOST]Also to answer your question Marushi that's why. I still think Cat is guilty but if lynching people for tone and mistakes isn't valid for midnights case why is it for Cats? Lol. Plus we do have enough to get her anyway

I'm not even out of the airport yet, but I thought I would reply regardless.

All of the stuff you're saying make me Mafia, I've already given answers for, such as my suspicion of Midnight, the fact I didn't see that post Heart made which changed my entire post, which at first was only about Cat etc, so I don't see the need to go over it again.

Grouping in pairs is an effective strategy. If you see two people who are effectively going against each other, dangerously so, in the way that they'd be lynching their Mafiaoso, then there's a GOOD chance. It isn't perfect. If they think there's no chance they may have no choice. That's why I asked you and @. : tale : . To put in your votes to hammer Cat tonight. Her fate is pretty much sealed, so it would be safe if you were both Mafia, however it's the reluctance and tones in your posts today and tomorrow that'll matter, if she's Mafia you're going to start to sweat.

None of the aspects to my theories have been "disproven" yet. Not in their entirety. At the end of the game we'll see what really went down, but until then it's your theory of what happened, mine, Judges', Tale's, everyone's.

There's a difference between playing offense and defensively, and doing so in panic. This game is about attack and defense, but it's the tone in which these posts are delivered which is important. Going back to Midnight, I talked about the tone in which I found her post to be. It had nothing to do with defending herself or rebutting my point, because that's simply part of the game. But words that are used, how things come across when they are read, that can tell you a lot


Now about the Cop: I'm not confirming anything because as many different people have said, but admitting that you are not the cop you are having the Mafia figure out who is. I'm still not going to say if I am or not, because if the Mafia is convinced it's me and I am not that gives the cop more time. And if they kill me that gives the cop an extra night. The more you're speaking about the cop the more you put the cop at risk, and maybe that can be added to the reasons why you are Mafia.

Now about you guys saying that I would do it even though it's risky. I mean, it's possible, everything is a possibility, however, for those who have played Mafia with me or otherwise, you know I'm not stupid. Because at the end of the day saying "Well maybe it's risky but she would do it" is almost the same as "Maybe it's stupid but maybe you would do it"

Here's what I would do if I REALLY wanted to pull of that plan as Mafia: I would have waited until someone said something about Al first, then done my digging. At least then it would be called for, it would blend in. It would look natural, even. Or I wouldn't say it at all. Cat is the bigger fish today. I can say all these things about Blaines attitude and try to convince that wasn't based off of his natural personality but because he was Mafia, and most of you would and have agreed.

But the thing is though Marushi, is that you're going as overboard on your rundown of me as I did with Krowley/Al etc. And yes I can at the very least admit that much. I wanted to try and porpelle us somewhere today, and also, maybe a tiny part of me was trying too hard to be smart, my only crime. So now I'm telling you this because you are doing the exact same thing, and when I am killed or lynched and my role is found out you will have zero credibility anymore, at least that's what I foresee, especially with some of the accusations I have against you. Speaking of that if I am town you say my investigation should be reexamined, but you're a prime suspect so does that include you? And if the town loses faith in you that would be very unfortunate if you're actually town, which I don't think you are.

I think you're trying too hard to get me lynched or kill like you think I tried to hard.
I think that if you changed your own theory on me, to it being about you, it would be extremely similar. Overzealous, trying too hard, too risky etc etc. And to make sure everyone understands what I mean by this, I'll make an example:

"Marushi's bigger picture theory on Calxiyn are far-fetched and rely on so many variables that they will fall apart if one aspect is disproven."

This is what I mean by a mirror, the same could be and maybe will be said about your analysis on me. It's like you're almost purposefully trying to make yourself as "erratic" as I was on Krowley about Me. I think this is important because you considered my exact behavior to be suspect and Mafia-like. Whether it's intentional or if it's just that we have a similar way of playing I have no idea lol


And on a side note.

I think that using my inactivity in order to try and hammer your point is kind of unnessicary. Everyone knows why I didn't post already lol. Yesterday I was sending out query letters, I was with my friend Hunter all day and then with my family until I left, and it's very rude to do other things with guests over.

^^ that is an example of a harsh, more questionable tone that I thought midnight had. Not just defensive, not offensive, simply really ticked lol. That's extremely unnessicary.

So I'll have to do these when I get back lol. I was going to take them on the plane and do them to pass time but since that guy got in trouble for doing complex math questions on an airplane I thought someone yelling about my devil magic was the last thing I would need haha

(That's my way of saying I accidentally forgot them)

I'd be willing to vote for Cat instead of Marushi in order for us to reach hard lynch later, since Cat was always my top Mafia. I agree with Tale about Marushi, and I don't think Marushi would be willing to throw Cat under the best unless she thought Cat had been condemned anyway. However that's sort of for us to look back and see if we looked pretty convince we were going to lunch Cat today, So to make herself look like town she may as well. This same thing can also be applied to tale, for those that think he is Mafia as well. It's for us to decide how... Decided, Cats fate was already, and if not, how likely it could be for Marushi and Tale, if they are Mafia, to take that risk.

I want to vote before I get on the plane, however, I want our other two votes to be Marushi and Tale, ideally. I say this because even though it wouldn't prove their innocence, if they are Mafia lynching their teammate may hurt considerably, enough so that it may change their attitude.

That said, since I am about die at night, probably lol, I want to give my last reads just in case you need go back to them.
Marushi - explained in the post about Heart's last few posts before she was swapped out. Marushi is always very hard core pro town, even in past games where she was Mafia.
Midnight- Because of the case I made about her tone in another post, which doesn't have a lot on it, however I think that if she does anything else suspect it would be important to note.
Tale- I'm split on him to be perfectly honest but he has crossed my mind a few times while making post.
Mixt and Mish- Are flying low enough under the radar we haven't looked at them in great detail yet but far enough above it that we haven't lynched them for being quiet. I'm not necessarily suspicious but it's good to keep in mind.

If Cat turns out to be Mafia, we need to consider her likely accomplices. However if she doesn't, we'll likely need to reexamine some people. Because of Cat isn't one of our three, and some of you have her in your Mafia read trio, you're going to pick a third obviously lol.

I wasn't using it as a defence Lol, It's something none of you can prove unless you're sitting next to me. More of just an anecdote, or something to keep in mind if other people want to have a go at trying to make me scared XD Even if it's not for this game.

I can't seem to quote your post so I'll just respond as I see things I guess.

But can't it be both? There are three Mafia, and I'm sure that all of them have a different reason for lynching Krowley. It doesn't matter if their reasons are different because they got the job done. I said in this post:

To clear up any confusion. I don't think that it's possible that the Mafia would limit themselves to one reason for killing Krowley. Again, there are three Mafia, and 2 of them could have the thought pattern I already put up there. It's alright if you missed it.

And I didn't say Heart should have been killed instead of Krowley. In the post you're referencing I said this:
The last people who Krowley spoke about were Al and I. I think that they killed Krowley and not say, Heart, may be because of these reasons:

In that context, Heart was simply being used as an example. She was being quiet/semi-inactive/not making analysis, which the Mafia can always use to buy them time later, which is why I contrasted them both. Krowley was also quiet and semi-inactive, but he did make a huge post before. I could have used, say, G-Dog, or Mixt and gotten the same effect.

My case against you is right here: http://kh-vids.net/threads/mafia-the-classic-setup-game-1.154626/page-17#post-4281429 It has less to do with you, and more to do with Heart and what SHE said before Krowley was lynched that day. Like I said in that post, it looks like it could be a set up for her to have referred to later, which she didn't get the chance to.

I can't find my post for my case against Midnight in this sea of pages, however, I remember clearly that it was because of how defensive she was in one of her responses to me, which she later apologised for saying she was too harsh. Now, I wasn't sure if that was a backtrack or simply an error, though I didn't see her post as too harsh to me lol. That is why I had a reason to vote against her.

The "younger sister" analogy is nice, I guess, but a lot of us are older than 5 and have a lot more common sense then to do that. I understand what you're trying to say but that may be seen as slightly condescending, or at least, I see it that way.

I didn't realise Heart had made the post about Al and I until I went back to look at her posts, or else I would have used it in my whole analysis about Mafia setting us up for bait, which is why I mentioned, again, in this post: http://kh-vids.net/threads/mafia-the-classic-setup-game-1.154626/page-17#post-4281429

No offence to Heart, but I wasn't afraid of her as a player. She wasn't aggressive enough to make the Mafia or Town members worry.

And of course, it doesn't mean we're cleared as Town. No one is cleared at Town. You have an idea of what the likelihood is that this person if Mafia/Town based on their posts, but nothing can be proven until you are dead. However, like it was said earlier, there are only three possible combinations here. I am Town and Al is Mafia. I am Mafia and Al is Town. Or I am Town and Al is town. So probability wise, there's 1/3 chance.

As for Midnight's case, it wasn't because solely because she sounded offended, it was also because she sounded defensive. As I said in that post, it's all about her tone.

But you have to consider that by putting myself at such a length, I would be leaving myself completely out in the open. The game is as much about offence as it is about defence, and if you have no defence and you are Mafia, offence alone can't help you. There needs to be a balance.

Throwing people under the bus gives me an opportunity to see how they react, if nothing else, and I wouldn't say I threw Al under any "bus", I'm simply playing devil's advocate because, as you said, there is no way to know who is and is not town. I can believe a player is town, but the town also has a right to know reasons why they may not be, which is what I'm been doing this game.

No one else has commented on Heart's last posts before she got replaced. If no one else finds them as suspicious, well, obviously we can't lynch you if no one else is convinced lol.

As for my shyness/timidness, what have you, that's because I was 3 years younger and back then I was just a completely different person. The turn-around may be odd for you, but for the other members who have known me since then can probably comment that in the past few years I've changed a lot. My aggressiveness is simply part of my more competitive personality.

As I said before, my reasons for voting for you are clear up there. If it was simply because I was scared I would have no case, and no chance to convince anyone to lynch you. This is a team game, and we need 6 people for a hard lynch.

Also I think it's sort of interesting that you assume that I'm panicking. I'm not quite sure what in my posts led you to believe that. You've already seen a contrast in my personality, so I'll give you another one: Last game, when someone would accuse me I would start shaking, get really anxious and nervous (Even though last game, I mean, I think I was Town???), but in these games I am perfectly calm as far as anxiety goes. (Now, competitive adrenalin is a different story, but that makes things more exciting). When you panic you're not thinking clearly. You go switch to an offensive position instead of a mix between offence and defence, and your brain just isn't clear.

And that's not putting on a front. The people who could make me start panicking are Tale and Al, possibly Midnight depending on what she says.

I would say I attack as well as try to defend whoever I'm considering. It's devil's advocate. I want to give the players the entire picture, even if that may be obviously contradicting myself. But that's what it is, it's on purpose.
Because, for example, I can't say for certain that Blaine was Town and just arrogant, but he was also Mafia and just defensive. So I say both, and we can come up with our own conclusions together. Both of those things cannot be true at the same time, but it's our job to figure out which one is right, so there needs to be every option on the table.

And theories are meant to be re-examined. We cannot stay absolutely consistent throughout the whole game, as circumstances and new evidence we have in the game changes, we need to reconsider what we said before and change it to fit the current situation.


Also, I agree with Midnight. I have come to terms that I am (probably) going to die, unless they want to keep me around to be lynched the day after so the Mafia can kill someone else tonight. Which, in that case, we should lynch another person to at least to attempt to get the actual Mafia.

This is called the True Love Spread: You, your feelings, attitudes and expectations / Your partners / What characteristic will bring you together / Qualities and strengths the relationship has to maintain / Weaknesses to address / The True Love Card, identifies if you'll be successful

Five of Pentacles:

You need love and a steady relationship and having a companion to share your worries with is ideal.

1 The Magician:

They're skilful, articulate. They effectively direct his or her energy, creativity, and imagination into practical matters. They have independence of thought, willpower, charm and are great at communicating.

XII The Hanged Man:

One of you makes a great personal sacrifice which brings you together. This could be dedication to something worthwhile, or simply a new outlook on life.

Seven of Pentacles:

Perseverance in times where the results look to be unfavourable

Page of Cups R E V E R S E D:

One of you may be lazy, and neglects to use their skills or talents. They fail to make a sure commitment and are drifting.

Ten of Rods R E V E R S E D:

One of you will take on too much, so much that any commitments will become a burden. If they decide the relationship is what is most important, it will succeed.

Random Relationship Internet Spread:

Spoiler

Ten of Pentacles R E V E R S E D:

You're burdened by the problems of your friends and family members. This is stifling your individuality and is imposing worry on you.

Queen of Pentacles:

She is warm, affectionate, a home-loving person who creates a pleasant and cozy atmosphere. She'd be a caring wife and mother, is generous, and fond of entertaining because of how much she loves bringing happiness to tohers.

Page of Pentacles R E V E R S E D:

Someone who can engage you, and you feel like it isn't one sided, that you're being rewarded or taken care of on both sides. Someone to help you when you're feeling frustrated, especially when worrying about money.

King of Rods R E V E R S E D:

Someone who is able to help her/them cope with their stress, and someone to help them when situations are confusing and chaotic.

XIX The Sun R E V E R S E D:

You want ultimate success, fun and enjoyment out of life, though right now it may seem impossible to achieve it and you feel disillusioned, you don't want to stop chasing after your dreams.

Nine of Rods R E V E R S E D:

They no longer want to be hurt. They don't want to have to feel suspicious or defensive because of how they've been hurt in the past.

Ace of Swords R E V E R S E D:

When the card is reversed, it represents misuse of powers of intellect, injustice, cruelty, clashes with authority, and legal problems.

This is the basic past life spread: The nature of your past life / Their true self / Who everyone else saw / the work they brought to the world

XVIII The Moon:

Your past life was confusing, lonely, and it had a lack of direction. It was depressing and hopeless.

Nine of Swords R E V E R S E D:

They were depressed and anxious, weighed down by morbid fantasies, fear and despondency.

Page of Swords:

Other people saw them as intelligent and discerning, able to see to the heart of any matter. But this was because of their mistrust of others.

Ace of Pentacles:

They brought security to others, physical well-being, wealth, and comfort. They desired to be warm to people and help others, but they could never help themselves, and no one saw how much in turmoil their life really was.

My mom got me this deck I have NO idea.

This one is understanding relationships: You / The other person / The relationship

(This doesn't need to be romantic, by the way)

Queen of Cups R E V E R S E D:

In regards to this relationship, you may be deceiving yourself as to who this person really is.

XVI The Tower R E V E R S E D:

This person has undergone a great misfortune which was self-inflicted, which has humiliated and shocked them.

II The High Priestess R E V E R S E D:

There's a lack of harmony between you two, and your feelings are being suppressed.

This is the basic past life spread: The nature of your past life / Their true self / Who everyone else saw / the work they brought to the world

V The Hierophant:

Your past life had a strong sense of direction. It knew what it wanted and how to get it. There were conflicts with others, battles, and it sounds like it was pretty exciting.

Two of Pentacles:

They had a practical and sensible outlook on life and everyday affairs. She coped with minor problems calmly and effective. They enjoyed life.

XX Judgement:

They saw him/her positively.

XI Justice:

The card says it all, the brought a big load of JUSTICE.

This is only 5 but I think this is more helpful.

This is called the True Love Spread: You, your feelings, attitudes and expectations / Your partners / What characteristic will bring you together / Qualities and strengths the relationship has to maintain / Weaknesses to address / The True Love Card, identifies if you'll be successful

XIII Death R E V E R S E D:

You're resisting change which is trying to take place and experiencing it as traumatic. The slow and painful transition will be beneficial.

Five of Pentacles:

They're lacking love and respect, and so they want someone who will love and respect them as much as they would to their partner.

Ace of Rods R E V E R S E D:

You both have a lot of creative energy, and the fact that you both may be lacking ideas or frustrated brought you together so you could help each other.

IV The Emperor:

You're both mature and rational, which helps to make good decisions for both parties.

Four of Swords R E V E R S E D:

You both tend to feel isolated or alone at times, even with each other, and that could cause concern for the relationship.

X The Wheel of Fortune:

This basically says you'll have great luck, so I'm assuming that means you'll do well together.

I don't know if you've noticed but this one is my favourite lol.

This is the basic past life spread: The nature of your past life / Their true self / Who everyone else saw / the work they brought to the world

Five of Swords R E V E R S E D:

Their life was full of hurt and humiliation, deception and dishonesty.

Three of Pentacles:

They did a lot of work but got none of the credit, and it wasn't at all rewarding or enjoyable, unfortunately. They felt like they were always being taken for granted, so their true self was kind and maybe even naive.

Eight of Cups R E V E R S E D:

Everyone thought they always made poor mistakes and abandoned any chance of having happiness or success.

Five of Cups:

They brought sadness and distress to the world, and made everyone unhappy.

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Btw you guys can always ask for more fortunes about other things but if you don't tell me what I'll do WHATEVER THE **** so. Also

@Ars Nova later asked me for a TRUE LOVE SPREAD so I'll do it tomorrow.

Well the AMERICANS have a holiday, but I would say that our biggest analysers, at least right now are Al and Midnight, who are doing a good job and lucky for us, are in England and probably won't be celebrating the fourth of July haha. But we of course, we'll see.

But Makaze did say he'd extend it, so hopefully he will. But I'll be on a plane if we dip into Tuesday a bit so I want to make sure my opinions on things and my votes are all ready. We still DO have tomorrow though for those of us who are not here.

On that note I really want people to take a look at that post Heart made carefully and figure out if you agree or disagree.[DOUBLEPOST=1467604799][/DOUBLEPOST]Sorry lol, I posted before I was finished[DOUBLEPOST=1467604896][/DOUBLEPOST]

Sorry, I'm saying it's both. That one Mafia did it because of skill, one Mafia did it because of paranoia/they got nervous and scared, and that same Mafia, who I'm now thinking was Heart/Is You, was the one who wanted to set up Al and I, but didn't get a chance to remind everyone of her previous post before she got subbed out