I find that statement offensive and condisending. I was mearly stating that uncyclopedia was silly in stating that the commisars were "everything bad in every other minority." And I was stating if they were to represent a military faction, it would be very close to the Nazis. burnitup corrected me and sighted they were in fact WWII era Russian themed. I am only stating a fact here. I do not see how the above listed fact "loads" the statement. It is true. It is an exploitation of the law. But you know why? Because, the constitution was written so that people could not be oppressed. Ideas are open to discussion, even ones we do not like, nor want to hear. I do not promote racism, but I do promote freedom of speech. Why? If a racist commits a crime by spreading his bigotry because intelligent people do not want to hear it, then, what keeps intelligent people with liberal ideas from being charged with the same crime. If saying something someone else does not want to hear is a crime, I shudder to see what the media would look like... Any protest, even if issued a permit by the Government could be considered a crime.
I do not see the presumption. Makaze "corrected" my post by paraphrasing the latter half of my post. And, if you want solutions: Registration systems work for software. I do not see how they will not work for games. The reason its not common for gaming purposes, is companies are too afraid of hurting thier pocket books by alienating customers with little to no access to the internet. But registry keys are working as anti-piracy equipment for computer software. Simple, and effective, and cheap. Since the big three modern generation system are heavily built for online play and have internet browsers built into them. It would be easy to have a registry key system for each game. Yes, there are registry key generators... But overall, those are the minority. This thread IS NOT about whether its right or wrong to pirate, nor whether or not companies lose money from piracy. Its about finding an effective way to stop piracy. I see no reason not to use a tried and proven system.
I should be ok... *Random Crossbow Arrow hits my neck....* Nevermind... *Collapses*
In america, its greatly frowned upon... but... its completely legal. Every once in a while... a LONG WHILE, there is a Nazi Party rally. Its kinda ironic that they end up the victims of mob violence in the United States. Police escort them as citizens throw things at them. Altho, the majority of us, including myself, are against racism, and even a bigger majority are against Nazism.
Racist propaganda is not illegal in most societies. Freedom of Speech is what it legally hides behind in America. Also, if I were to look at this from a cynical viewpoint, I'd say that the 40k world is extreamly racist. And, is thriving dispite this. Also, the "other races" of xenos, and the "genetic weaknesses" of Chaos are the greatest threat to society, and the Empire of man continues to be the strongest by employing Nazilike, racist idealogies. Once again I highlight, I am not saying the game is deliberatly racist, but can be interpreted as such. @Burnitup: I know how Chaos works. By offering thier souls to Chaos, they gain imortality in our mortal world (never die of natural causes) but lose thier immortal souls to pure chaos and are put into a hell like afterlife when they die. The only exceptions are the Daemon Princes, whom all Chaos Loyalist aspire to become. But as I highlighted, Obliterators and many low ranking Chaos Mutants never offered thier souls to Chaos. But rather, serve the Chaos forces simply because they are unable to function anywhere else in the universe. The Empire of man will kill them for "heracy" even without evidence. The Tau will either psychically enslave them, or kill them for being "currupted by chaos" when that actually never happened, they just genetically mutated. The Eldar will kill them as a threat to thier race. Ork, Tyranid, and Necron are completely genocidal, and will kill any not of thier species without hesitation. So therefore, the Mutants and Obliterators can ONLY serve chaos. In fact, Obliterators do not pledge loyalty to Chaos, but rather only serve as mercinaries.
Read my post before you try to counter. I said its a problem, but in a more transparent system, the problem is exageratted.
mixt, that is a revolutionary idea, which has actually proved to be successful in small scale. I really doubt it could be scaled up. As certain project gain mass appeal, they may see "investments" faulter. Secondly, what if the budget is rather large, unpredictably large. It can happen, ambitious designers could run into complications. Asking for more money will turn off investors, viewing the project as a "money pit". Whats worse, what if investors decide they want a cut of the profit? What if information is miscalculated? All of these problems can be felt in a conventional system. But because this system is more transparent, it can backfire much worse. If a Beta Demo looks bad, and turns off investors, the project gets canned. The result, everyone loses. No game is released past a incomplete buggy demo, and the company loses money, the investors never see a game. What then?
Good sighting... Also, P, burnitup: I have a question about the Chaos Marines. Of all the races portrayed, they are the only ones portrayed as purely evil. My question is: Do they have a good side? At all? If not, I fear that the game itself may not deliberatly racist, but actually function as racist propaganda. Racist propaganda, as sighed eartler, is always one sided and biased. It portrays the target of the racism as cruel, evil, unholy, stupid, and otherwise, a source of curruption. The Nazi's were particularly good at this in thier efforts to slander the Jewish population. What I find most disturbing, is the killing of Mutants. As stated in Warhammer 40k wiki, not all mutants are signs of chaos worship. Many are simply genetic mutations, which deviate from the "Normal" standards of man. The Empire has a policy of either abandoning or executing mutants. Forcing many of them to become pariahs. Of this group, some, actually do devote themselves to Chaos, some live peaceful isolated lives, others simply die off. How this relates to real life? Racism in the past, has ALWAYS highlighted the differences between "Us" and "Them". And outright hate propaganda, often portrays "them" as a danger to "us". Many mutants are not threats to the Empire, and if not discriminated against, they could very well be great loyalist to the Empire. I just find it alarming that racist propaganda is being used in a game. Granted, in the world of fiction, the threats are real. But someone with racist tendancies could very well become a racist extreamist, if he takes the game out of context. For example, say someone is not truly a racist, but they do harbor some racial prejudices. Say they are a Space Marine player. Since its shown that to an extent, people can be impressioned upon by fiction, whats to keep this from harboring his racism? Say the subject who harbors racial tendancies, one day has an epiphany, "The Emperor is right! If something threatens us, we have the divine right to alienate it, and fight against it! People of (insert minority group here) are a threat to me!" And bam! Someone is motivated to commit violence. Granted the above story is a bit far fetched... Secondly, in story, Humans may in fact be hurting themselves with thier policy on genocide against any form of mutation and xeno life. They do have a tolerance towards non physical mutations (except Black Templar), and utilize psychic mutants in thier army. I look firstly to the Chaos Marines. Specifically, Obliterators. Why? Obliterators are not loyal to the Chaos forces, but rather, serve as mercinaries for them. Why? They possess a mutation which causes thier bodies to fuse to weaponry and armor. Because this mutation is considered a "disease" to humankind, they are alienated. Whats a trained soldier with weapons literally fused into thier bodies to do for a living? Not many carreer choices exist, so they serve as mercinaries. But to who? Well, the only forces known to man who would tolerate, or even embrace such a mutation are Chaos Marine legions. Third, by outright refusing to cooperate with the Tau and Eldar, the Empire has allowed Chaos to become well, more chaotic. The Chaos forces would not be able to stand against an allied front of the above races, who are fully capable of cooperating. But divided, they can easily overpower them individually when the tactical advantage favors them.
No... its not. Its Pyro's. I'm a Jr. Master.
If you join the Khaini Server, hit up ICSPMage... Nude has a spot waiting for you.
Quoted for spelling out in graphic detail why someone is a troll. Whats more amazing... despite Maplestory's childlike appearance... it is actually a very deep and difficult game. I doubt anyone around age 9 or 10 could navigate the freemarket for a good deal, finish a typical JQ, let alone build a team capable of taking on Zakum or Horntail... Let alone Cygnus. By the way... this party is all maxed out with every character at peak the game will let you reach...
P, Burnitup, thanks for participating in the discusion and providing information. Burnitup: I do believe the trait of having any sign of insubordination be a death penalty can not only be associated with the Russian Commisar, but also the Nazi forces themselves during WWII. P: For the record, I said I myself disagreed with the refference to Orks being Black People. I always viewed them as bully types.
And the "Good Guys" are trying to erradicate any and all other races in a neverending genocide, and while they are at it, they are going to "crusade" against the imperfections within thier own race.
No... they believed in an angry, indecisive series of gods.
Mayans believed it to be a pattern that the Mayan gods were constantly dissatisfied with thier dominant races they made. We are the flesh people. The most recent creations of the gods. Prior to us was the Wood people. People made of wood, who once built great empires accross the world. The Mayan gods killed them because they were imperfect. They had other races before them... forgot what tho.
You forgot to talk about the wood people. We have no evidence of them.
Quoted for epic... too bad pics dont show in quotes... oh well... still epic....
I put this in the discussion thread, not the debate corner, nor the game chat corner for a reason. I do not wish to debate the game from the angl of a gamer, but rather, from an outside perspective. Nor do I want to argue or debate opinions, but share them. I wanted to exchange opinions on this. But first I will give a link to what the game generally is and why I think it may be racist. For those of you unfamiliar with Warhammer 40,000, commonly known as Warhammer 40k, I will explain a quick summary. It is a turn based strategic Table Top type game. It takes place in a dystopian future, where human kind is the dominant species in the universe, but is surrounded by aggressive and violent alien races. Its actually kinda a science fiction parrallel to Warhammer Fantasy Battle. A table top game which takes place in midieval myth and legend. As such, many alien races in Warhammer 40k, have parallels in Midieval mythological warfare. For example, the Eldar, are very similar to Elves, but with interspace flight technology. They are especially similar to High Elves of myth. Wheras there are Dark Eldar, which have parallel of Dark Elves. There are the Ork, which are basically identical to Orcs of myth, granted, with a much higher level of technology such as automatic weapons. There are some unique races in Warhammer 40k, which dont have direct comparison, such as Tyranid, Chaos Space Marines, Tau, ect. Now... this is all fine and dandy... Until you look at it from a different angle. I never played the game myself, but I have always been interested. Lack of people close to me being active players is mainly why I delayed actually investing time and money into this game for years. Regardless, I still read deeply into the lore. Now, here is where it gets creepy: The God Emperor and Chaos According to Warhammer 40k lore, the empire of mankind was built by a major character. The God-Emperor of Mankind. He launched what would become known as "The Great Crusade". He went from planet to planet of the Human Empire, "cleansing" them of "Chaos". Chaos in general refers to a demonic undercurrent in Warhammer lore, the believe that deamons who live in another dimension are secretly trying to take over our universe by currupting our bodies and minds with Chaos. To aide him in this Crusade. He cloned himself, creating the Space Marine Batallion. Yes... he created an army of "Perfect" humans to aide himself in ridding mankind of inperfections. In largely succeeding in his crusade, eventually the Emperor of Man is worshipped as a God. Now, in the Warhammer 40k universe, this threat is of Chaos very real. Entire batalions have been currupted by this Chaos, and can be turned into bloodthirsty mindless berzerkers, zombies, giant mutants and all sorts of other monstrocities. However, the Emporer set out to cleans ALL influences of Chaos. He killed everyone who possessed any form of mutations which could be seen outwardly. Following suit, any one who gives birth to a mutated child, is very prompt to abandon or kill them. Eventually, some of his Space Marines themselves are currupted by Chaos, and succeed in killing the Emperor. Alien Races: I read in a troll like wiki called "uncyclopedia" that each non space marine race was supposed to represent. However, this was written sarcastically, but when I read it through, I realized how true it could be. First off, its considered Heracy against the Emperor, and punishable by death, if any human cooperates with any alien race. As such, a vast majority of humankind would rather die than cooperate with the Tau or Eldar. The few who do, are subject to Death Squads, who will kill all who cooperate with aliens. Tyranid, Necron and Ork are too indiscriminate in thier slaughter to cooperate with humans. Eldar are described as a race who survived numerous tragedies, which brought them from being the richest and most powerful civilization, to now, almost completly extinct. Those who survived will do anything to survive. As such: The Space Marines, and humans in general view them as extreamly untrustworthy, and will battle them with the intent on erradicating thier species. The website compared the Eldar to the modern Country of Israel. It doesnt give reasons why, being a random spam based wiki, but I do believe the reason for this assumption can easily be justified. After the Halocaust, Jewish people survived a great tragedy which dwindled thier number. And now, they are fighting for the very survival of thier people. The Tau have a very communist idealogy. They believe in "The Greater Good" in that if all species cooperate and work together, a greater good can be achieved through equality. They believe in a caste based system where the government puts everyone into what caste fits them best, and they all serve to expand thier empire, and work towards the greater good. A few humans have cooperated with the Tau, and as such, are considered heratics, and will be killed if ever they tried to return to the human empire. The Orks are very primative and violent. Based rather tightly on the classic midieval fantasy Orc. They speak primatively and possess rather low inteligence. None the less, they are tough, and numerous, making them a threat to anyone they deal with. Thier instinct, society, and religion are are based on warfare. Uncyclopedia compared them to "black people" based on their crude way of talking, calling it "ebonics". I do not see this comparison so easily. But alas, I will put it out there. Imperial Guard: Finally, there is the Imperial Gaurd. The Imperial Gaurd makes up the majority of the human military. They are normal, ordinary humans without power suits. They fight in large numbers, and deploy rather powerful tanks. The Uncyclopedia article described them as "everything bad in every other minority". I dissagree however. If they are to be looked at in such a light, I would compare them more redily to the Nazi army. Observe: Below, I have a picture of a high ranking Imperial Guard Commisar and a Nazi Officers Uniform. Note the similarities, albiet the Commisars uniform is greatly exagerated. Spoiler The Space Marines themselves: Heres whats really wierd: The Space Marines are basically clones of thier Primarch. The Primarchs are drawn from the DNA of the perfect human, the Emperor. And thier goal (except those who were currupted by Chaos) is to erradicate all forms of Chaos, and Alien life. Yes, complete and total genocide of everything non human, and even mutations and disloyalty of humans. At the core of the Space Marines, is the Ultramarines. The most balanced, powerful and versetile force within the Empire. According to the makers of the game, they based the Ultramarines off the Roman Legions in the prime of the Roman Empire. Whats really wierd about that is, Adolf Hitler based the Nazi Army off the Roman Legions as well, viewing his empire as the "Third Riech", or Third Rule of the Romans. My Closing thoughts: I am really conflicted about this. Dispite all the evidence I do not have an opinion. I wanted to discuss this. I am unsure if Warhammer 40,000 is intentionally and deliberatly racist, and in directly emulating the political opinions of the writers, or, if it was completly coincidental that they tried to draw humans trying to create the perfect society, and under various threats from different sources, both internal and external. Both seem like a stretch. What is your opinion? I am unsure which is more accurate, I am having a hard time believing that some sort of Neo Nazi wrote out the lore. Then again, it is a rather large set of coincidences.
I knew they didnt go easy on illegal song dowloaders...
I kinda wish it still meant Mike like the olden days...
