Whovians

Making the Doctor female would not be the lowest point. Saying it would be the lowest point is ridiculous, not to mention sexist. It would be the lowest point if they were blatantly going out of their way to point out, "Hey the Doctor is a woman! How whacky is that?! Remember when she was male?! Now he is a she!" The gender of the Doctor shouldn't be considered the lowest point if it is ever changed, what should be considered the lowest point is how bad the quality of the show is.

And making "her" gay wouldn't be the lowest point either, if done right. But, I'm not saying there should be a lesbian Doctor. In fact this whole argument could be bypassed easily by saying that the writers don't have to have any sort of romantic encounter with a character of the same and/or opposite gender. You could go a whole run of Doctor without any sort of romance. It really is simple, no kissing, no flirting, etc.

 

Well written female Doctor? Ok, that's acceptable, if the show decides to have no romance between the Doctor and anyone else than I can run with that.
Gay Doctor? Okay I said that I wouldn't talk about this but since you're all curious I'm going to explain. I've stated before in a previous thread that I support gay rights, no matter what, you can love anyone you want to love, have marriage with anyone you feel like, etc. etc. It's your decision. BUT there is one thing that has been bugging me, its that I kind of feel some movies and TV shows are trying to force other people to accept gay rights, for example they're removing Mary Jane from Amazing Spider-Man 2 and replacing her with a gay man, and Peter will most likely have bisexual relationship between him. That's going too far, I'm sorry, I don't mind if there are gay characters in anything (even though that's an example for what I'm talking about, overdoing gay characters) it draws the line if you make the main character gay, someone who, for years has been a heterosexual person. I just want you guys to imagine this: What if we made Superman gay? What if in Kingdom Hearts III we actually made Sora and Riku gay? What if we made Cloud gay? Now imagine, what if we made the Doctor gay? Now this is basically all one big opinion, I know people are going to disagree with this, but think about it, why are there a lot of gay things in media in general? It feels like its being shoved down my throat.

 

Then we'd indoctrinate a generation of kids to be flaming homos? idk, I don't see how it's a bad thing to portray more sexualities in the media. It's good that they're trying, in recent years. If it was completely unprecedented/out of continuity to suddenly make a character gay with no explanation that'd be one thing (like Cloud or Superman, can't speak for Spiderman as I'm not familiar with the comics), but if a female Doctor were a lesbian, that would be canon with the Doctor we've seen to sexually prefer women (Rose, River Song, etc).

 

First off none of those character apply to what you are saying, they are established characters. But the Doctor changes every few years. He gets a new look, a new actor, a new personality. They change who he is. Changing a character like Peter Parker is different. Personally, if what you say is true about the next Spider-Man movie, I am outraged by what they are going to do with Peter. It just isn't his character.

Also, I think this helps my point a little.

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/vi...9874-renegade-cut-the-changing-face-of-heroes

 

Of course I know that, it's just my opinion that I think the show would turn out awful.

It's still a rumor, but still, I haven't watched any Comic Con info yet, but still we have this.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/07/10/andrew-garfield-spider-man-gay/

 

Isn't Emma Stone in the new one though?

 

She is. But promotional pictures show her

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In the outfit Gwen Stacy wore when she died in the comics

 

I'll respect your opinion. I think you are wrong but I respect it. One particular character I can think of that was originally thought up as straight then was later made into a lesbian is Batwoman. And they did it right.

They seriously better not make Peter Parker bi. Nothing against bisexuals but he was never bi in any continuity before (to my knowledge) so don't freakin' start not.

She plays Gwen so I would imagine so.

Awesome!

 

Okay, I have a couple of points to make.

1) I am extremely pleased with Peter Capaldi as the 12th Doctor. As much as I adore Matt Smith, we've had four young, attractive (imo) men playing the Doctor in a row and I was hoping for a switch up with either a Lady Doctor or an Older Dude Doctor. I've not seen much of what Capaldi has done previously, but he looks hilarious.

2) The Doctor has absolutely no influence on what he looks like when he regenerates. Otherwise he would have been ginger a long time ago. Therefore, it is possible for him to be a woman upon regeneration, with no thought on his part. There are several theories as to why this is (only Lady Time Lords get to decide what they look like, there's something wrong with him, he just sucks at regenerations... etc.) but to my knowledge there's no canonical reason why.

3) The Doctor is canonically Pansexual. Coming from a society where people are able to switch gender, sex, and aesthetics every few years will do that to you. You generally don't stop loving someone based on what they look like or what their genitals do.

 

*walks in* I love Moffat and his writing *walks out*

In all seriousness, I have no problem with a female Doctor if a good actress did it and it was written well but I do fear the repercussions with the wider fan base e.g. kids and people who are strongly against female Doctors. I also don't see why you'd need a woman, I don't want a female time lord just because you can have one- I just need a better reason to get behind it than for the sake of it. It would be a must bigger challenge to get it to work than if he remained male but I am not ruling out the possibility completely as I'm sure it could work but the reasoning should be right first.

 

I believe so.
I think they're saying that they're going to kill her off like in the comics.
But they should save that for when they show off the Green Goblin, which I believe won't be until movie 3.

 

The fangirls would like to have a word with you.

 

Thank you, I haven't read anything where Batwomen is a lesbian, maybe I'll check it out

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or tell my mate, she loves Batman in general, mostly the Joker, I wonder how she'll feel about this :-/

They've also already removed the scenes with Mary Jane in them, which worries me.
Hopefully this hole bisexual thing stays a rumor or is something Andrew wanted (is Andrew Garfield really gay? Just wondering, he reminds me of the type that would be) personally, I'm not really excited about the movie in general, the first one wasn't that great in my opinion, not Spiderman 3 kind of bad but not amazing like the first two Sam Raimi films, I still consider Spierman 2 to be one of the best Superhero movies ever made.[DOUBLEPOST=1375992436][/DOUBLEPOST]

 

I'm not saying Moffat is a completely terribad writer, because he's not. Some of my favorite episodes of Who are by him, and he does an amazing job with Sherlock. I just think he's awful at being DW's showrunner.

 

I suppose that is what I mean, I just love the way the show has gone but I didn't not love it before as I love RTD and JNT and Barry Letts, it's just given it a new dynamic for the unexpected and the twists. He's probably my favourite showrunner from what I've seen so far.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman#Kate_Kane_.282006.E2.80.93.29

It like is a rumor. And he isn't gay. Jokingly saying you're gay for an actor isn't exactly uncommon in the world.

 

I don't believe the doctor should of been a woman, I did used to want that but I have since changed my mind. The reason I changed my mind was River Song, she was effectively a female timelady and throughout her several generations she remained a woman. So I think that although their appearances and bodies change dramatically, their biological sex remains constant. And think on Gallifrey, assuming they reproduce the same way as us, imagine if their partner suddenly changed sex. Not to say that wouldn't work and I don't think that is canon. I think that the points you guys are valid and I think Moffat handled it entirely wrong. I think a woman would of been able to play him well but because of what I've said, I'm personally glad it's a guy. However it would have been interesting if he changed race.

 

sweetie you've got your facts all mixed up there.

It's canonically stated that a Time Lord/Lady is perfectly able to change biological sex. See The Doctor's Wife, the Doctor mentions his Time Lord friend who's been both a man and a woman and was perfectly happy with it.

Also, it's been stated that Time Lords/Gallifreyans don't reproduce like us, no. They use something called looms, I think? I'm not sure of all the facts on this one and I'm not sure I want to, but I know it's not the same as us.

As for River Song, she only regenerated twice, once as a little girl, and the second time she was actively trying and focusing all her thoughts on being a pretty lady. Still not entirely fond of her, but she did know what she was doing at least.

I respect your opinion and all, but make sure you do the research before giving reasons like that. <3

 

Ah okay, thanks for that. I did say that I could be entirely wrong and I knew none of that was official but I wasn't aware that those things had been stated. That's actually quite interesting. I think River Song has put doubts in my mind about a female doctor that I wanted before, it probably could have been done really well but if they did, I just fear they'd mess it up. Although you never know if it will work until you try. Anyway thanks for correcting me.

 

Why wouldn't he? The majority of Time Lords have quite a bit of control over how they regenerate. Ramona changed forms at least three times before her second(?) incarnation "locked in," so to speak. Does the Doctor have some sort of disability? I've never seen any indication of that. Isn't it more probable that he just prioritizes sex and species over hair color?