Here's why I think that Roxas doesn't have Ventus hearts

Well, we know that keyblade form depends on your heartt, right? But Roxas have Sora's keyblade, not Ven's. if he has Ven's hearts he would have Ven's keyblade right?

 

I'm sure at this point that, Sora doesn't have his own keyblade. One is the original key that was given to Riku by terra but the ABILITY to weild it didn't come till the darkness began to manifest into Destiny islands. Now for the most part we know that Riku was supposed to have the keyblade but it went down the list to Sora. Who had a strong heart to begin with. This keyblade stayed with Sora until Xion was made, Whereas Ventus' keyblade went to Roxas when he was born. This would explain why when Roxas finaly Rejoins with Sora the new clothes allow Sora to use drive to Weild two keyblades. Again like always this is a theory so please feel free to point out any flaws in my theory.

 

I thought it was confirmed that Roxas had Ventus's heart throughout Days? "It is thought that it could be Ventus's heart... he has taken a lot of himself from Ventus. But perhaps when Sora and Roxas were separated, Ventus's heart stayed in Roxas?" Sure this maybe a question but come on now.

 

This is... untrue. Sora doesn't gain a second keyblade because of Donald or Goofy (or the alternative third party member) their power is used to unlock the cloth's potential. The cloths basically act as an amp, giving Sora powers he doesn't have the skill you access normally. Nomura has confirmed in an interview that Sora has the ability to use a second keyblade because of Ventus' heart.

In fact, everyone should just read this:
http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/post/18431930471/nomura-interviews-20-mysteries-of-the-series

And you need to remember that there is no 'true' keyblade. Keychains are what gives a keyblade definition. Starseeker isn't Mickey's keyblade. Really it seems that keyblades are formed by memories, so since Roxas is full of Sora's memories (and Xion as well) it makes sense that their keyblades would represent Sora's

 

I think it's just that Ventus' heart residing within Sora (which is why Roxas looks like Ventus) allowed Roxas to just inherited a lot of Ven's personality/spirit along with his looks. I think Sora has always been the main vessel for Ven's heart.

 

That question I had in my previous post was from the KHBBS Ultimania. Why would they ask a question like that if it wasn't true or just suggest a thought like that?

 

Oh... Sorry then. I've never actually bothered to look into any of the Ultimanias, and I thought you were just stating an opinion and I was giving mines. :X

 

Of course Roxas doesn't have Ventus heart. He's a nobody. He just took the form of Roxas.

 

No it's my bad I was the one who didn't say where that quote came from.

I'm pretty sure Roxas has a heart though. I mean:

• The Ultimanias posed the question I had in the previous post.
• Roxas was one of the first Nobodies with genuine emotions.
• When Sora was restored after being a Heartless, Roxas did not disappear because he was his own "complete" (he basically had a heart) person.
• His appearance alone.
• Roxas was capable of using the 2nd keyblade because after Xion's death he was able to unlock Ventus's heart.
• How did Sora become a Heartless if he still had Ventus's heart?
• The link to that interview:http://www.khinsider.com/news/BBS-Ultimania-20-Mysteries-Solved-2546 (the same one has hatok's)

 

Roxas was one of the first Nobodies with genuine emotions.
I don't think that matters.

When Sora was restored after being a Heartless, Roxas did not disappear because he was his own "complete" (he basically had a heart) person.
I don't think there is a rule that if you come back from being a heartless your nobody disappears. Just look at Master Xehanort with Ansem and Xemnas. We all know Xemnas doesn't have a heart.

His appearance alone.
Don't think that matters either

Roxas was capable of using the 2nd keyblade because after Xion's death he was able to unlock Ventus's heart.
That's just because of connections. Past life stuff. Like Xion. She didn't have a heart. She was only able to use the keyblade because of connection to soras memories, not because she had or had no heart.

How did Sora become a Heartless if he still had Ventus's heart?
Sora didn't have 2 hearts. That was just a CONNECTION he had with Ventus. VENTUS has a part/piece of Soras heart to make it whole but that is still 1 heart.

I don't even know who answered the questions. It sounded like there was no answer to the question and that it could be either or with the same out come.

 

• Buddy, in KH3D Xemnas and Ansem are there because of YX's time travel abilities which means they are all from different times. Master Xehanort was reformed because the Ansem and Xemnas in the main timelime were destroyed. So it makes sense. Plus, it would make sense that Roxas would have disappeared since he is SORA'S BODY. So when Kairi restored him to his original self (body included) Roxas should have disappeared.
• I never said Xion had a heart though. Let me put it this way. As a result of Xion's death, Roxas was able to unlock Ventus's heart and wield the second keyblade.
• As for the Ventus heart thing, that was at the beginning of BBS. After Ventus defeats Vanitas they become whole again and reside within Sora.
• His appearance is a result of Ventus's heart residing in him.

 

You say this like Nobodies don't have hearts. Beyond that, Roxas is clearly a pretty special exception to typical Nobody rules

-Showing genuine emotions could just be an indicator of him being the first to grow a replacement.
-Sora WASN'T fully restored by Kairi. That's the whole point of Roxas rejoining. Sora in KH1 is basically still just a heart, I'd assume this works on the same principle
as Ansem SoD, who was also just a heart, but was able to take a form using external power.
-This could have more to do with memories or something, we've already seen the Heartless and Nobody appearances are nebulous. His heartless looks like Xehanort, while his Nobody looks like a mix of Xheanort and Terra.
-How did Sora become a heartless despite having a heart? A heartless IS a heart :P

There are no rules that cover recovery from being a heartless, but that's because it's supposed to be impossible. A person is supposed to recover from being a heartless by having their Nobody and Heartless destroyed. Sora is the only exception to the rule, and PoH magic hasn't been properly covered to tell us why.

The appearance is PRETTY important. Have a look at Xemnas and Ansem. Xemnas, being Terra's body, takes on an appearance more similar to Terra, while his heart is an exact copy of Xehanort. The fact that a heart takes on the exact appearance of their body is in itself interesting.

It's explicitly stated that the second keyblade comes from Ventus' heart. Now Xion. First of all, Repliku had a heart, so it's distinctly possible that Xion did as well. But anyways, as Riku said, her keyblade was a fake. This might have changed as she started absorbing more of Roxas' power, however.

Technically Sora has about 1.75 hearts. His own, the half of Ventus' that was left after Vanitas was purged, and a portion of Kairi's, since her heart was inside him when he created their Nobodies. But yeah, Ventus' heart has taken direct shelter inside Sora.

 

don't "buddy" me.

lol because they don't? There would be a big plot hole if some nobodies did have hearts. Special Nobodies like roxas and the Org are created from there former selves having strong hearts. but really if you throw the word "exception" in the KH universe then anything can go. Which is why I stick to the basics and not through "exceptions" like they do in the KH series which why most people think its convoluted.

I gave you guys my 2 cents without throwing in exceptions. Continue to discuss...

 

Well then it's a pretty big plot hole because Nobodies DO have hearts, or at least, they can grow new ones
Roxas is still a bit of an exception though, since he has a bit of a heart in him to start

 

Nobodies do? Who? and how? I don't think they can "grow" hearts. If they could then they wouldn't have gone through all that in KH2/days with Kingdom Hearts and collection.

 

Have you... not played Dream Drop Distance?

 

Yes? and...? Is there going to be more exceptions?

 

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